Tempo Talks Thanksgiving Edition: Unpacking the T100 Apology Tour: Insights and Reactions
This episode of Tempo Talks delves into the recent controversies surrounding the T100 series, particularly the apology issued by Sam Ranouf following the debacle at the Dubai race. We examine the implications of his statements, and whether they sufficiently address the concerns raised by both athletes and fans alike. Additionally, we reflect on the final iteration of Ironman Arizona, discussing its significance within the triathlon community and the troubling circumstances that led to its conclusion. Our conversation also encompasses the notable performances at Ironman Cozumel, particularly focusing on the missed qualification opportunity for the women's winner, Lisa Peterer. As we anticipate the announcement of a new event set for December 1st, we speculate on its potential impact on the triathlon landscape.
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Welcome to Tempo Talks, a show that brings you analysis of the biggest stories in triathlon training, tips to make you a better athlete and breakdowns of the latest science and performance.
Speaker A:I'm Matthew Sharp, an olympian in triathlon, 70.3 champion and co founder of the Tempo News.
Speaker B:And I'm Jeff Sankoff, the tridoc medical contributor for Triathlete magazine, age group winner and coach at LifeSport coaching.
Speaker B:Our goal, inform and entertain two perspectives.
Speaker B:One sport, all things triathlon.
Speaker B:Now let's get into it.
Speaker B:Hello.
Speaker B:Hello everybody.
Speaker B:It is Thanksgiving week.
Speaker B:The day after, hopefully you are satiated and you are kicking back ready to hear a great episode of Tempo Talks.
Speaker B:I'm Jeff Zankoff, the tridoc.
Speaker B:Great to have you with us.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, one person who's not joining me this week is my usual co host Matt Sharp.
Speaker B:Matt is busy pack ready for a move.
Speaker B:He's going to have some information for you all next week as to what that's about.
Speaker B:But for now I am thrilled to say that I have found a worthy person to step into those big shoes and that is a frequent contributor, frequent listener to the show.
Speaker B:That's Brian Dunn joining me from Arizona himself.
Speaker B:Brian, welcome to your first ever co hosting gig on Tempo Talks.
Speaker B:It's great to have you here.
Speaker A:Well, thank you very much Jeff.
Speaker A:And I think to be fair to your audience we probably should rename this show not Tempo Talks but old age Grouper Talks.
Speaker B:For this week for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Well, we will do our best to try and bring the same levity and insights that we do each week when Matt is here.
Speaker B:We are going to cover a few different topics.
Speaker B:We are going to take on the T100 apology tour that Sam Ranouf has been on.
Speaker B:We're going to about some of the takeaways from Ironman Arizona, mostly not so much related to what went down on the race, but actually some of the things around the race that Brian has been privy to.
Speaker B:We're going to talk about some of the scuttlebutt that came out of Ironman Cozumel, specifically as it pertains to the women's winner at that race.
Speaker B:And we are going to speculate on what we think is the new event that is supposed to be announced on Monday, December 1st by Ironman.
Speaker B:We'll see if we get it right this time.
Speaker B:But let's begin first and foremost with the T100 Apology Tour.
Speaker B:Of course, last week we discussed at length the debacle in Dubai.
Speaker B:We talked about how that race was a spectacle for all the Wrong reasons.
Speaker B:Brian, you didn't get a chance to weigh in, of course, but I know you have thoughts before we talk about Sam's apology.
Speaker B:What did you think about what went down in Dubai?
Speaker B:What were your sort of takeaways from that?
Speaker A:Without question, it was the most bizarre and laugh out loud moment I've ever had watching a triathlon broadcast.
Speaker A:I was fortunate enough to start, start the broadcast on YouTube without being spoiled when I started my, my trainer ride in the morning on that Saturday.
Speaker A:And I just was astounded when I saw Hayden Wilde lead his little group for an extra lap on the bike.
Speaker A:And that was, that was something I was like, how in the world does that happen?
Speaker A:But, but wait, hold my beer.
Speaker A:Because they figured out a way to make even more drama out of it with the camera following Morgan Pearson on his way to his first victory in a T100 race.
Speaker A:Suddenly they cut away to Mika Newt breaking the tape and the, the commentating from Jan.
Speaker A:It was just so funny because I was just like, how, on, how on earth is this happening?
Speaker A:And certainly in retrospect, in hearing from all of the aggrieved parties, it doesn't.
Speaker A:I'm still not convinced anyone knows exactly what went wrong, but it was a terrible, terrible look for the T100 and certainly it was not a moment that I think they wanted, the athletes wanted and certainly not one that the fans of the series would want to see.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And as a fan of triathlon just in general, it was not a great look for a sport that continues to be unfortunately a niche kind of thing.
Speaker B:I didn't get a sense that it got a lot of press outside of the triathlon world, fortunately, because that would not have been a good, a good look in any way.
Speaker B:But we had Sam Ranuf coming out this past week and making pretty formal mea culpa.
Speaker B:I will withhold my thoughts on that for the time being.
Speaker B:What did you think seeing that video, Brian?
Speaker A:I think Sam Ranuf is excellent as the frontman for T100 in regards to his ability to certainly raise capital.
Speaker A:He's demonstrated that he's real good at raising money, which is important obviously for a series that is expensive in that the revenue streams at the moment aren't particularly clear as to where the money will come from in a holistic sense to the series is because it's really not an age group driven event company like Ironman, is it?
Speaker A:You know, the, the professionals, they deliver the race, the race excitement and they need to be compensated.
Speaker A:But the question is how much ad revenue does that bring in.
Speaker A:I think he's very good at that.
Speaker A:Where I think his mea culpa maybe was a little lacking was it was.
Speaker A:It was very generic in terms of we.
Speaker A:It was a lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of.
Speaker A:A lot of we being the royal we of T100.
Speaker A:I think I would have preferred Sam saying, ultimately, the buck stops with me.
Speaker A:And what happened at this race, obviously, as a professional organization is unacceptable, and I need to make sure we do better.
Speaker A:And I need to do better to ensure that the professional experience is better, that the age group experience at other races is as good as it can be.
Speaker A:I wish he had been a little bit more accepting of the responsibility and owned up to it for himself as the face of the organization, as opposed to just sort of blaming technicalities that can occur.
Speaker A:But what are you going to do?
Speaker A:You know, that seems a little bit of a passing of the buck.
Speaker A:I think it could have been stronger.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, I think back to the previous Ironman CEO Andrew Messick, and there's no question Andrew made missteps and he was pilloried by triathletes.
Speaker B:They really went after him.
Speaker B:And I've been a little bit surprised to see triathletes giving Sam Ranuf a pass.
Speaker B:They seem to be much more willing to allow him to just make these mistakes over and over again.
Speaker B:And he does not seem to come in for the same kind of scrutiny, the same kind of criticisms as Andrew Messick did for as long as he did.
Speaker B:And I find that kind of interesting because personally, and this is just my personal opinion, I find Sam Ranuf to be quite disingenuous.
Speaker B:I watched his apology, and he just struck me as not particularly sincere.
Speaker B:And like you said, it was very much not a me problem.
Speaker B:It was they and a we.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:And.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I just.
Speaker B:He just, you know, he strikes me.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker A:Correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker A:He comes from.
Speaker A:It was.
Speaker A:Was it tennis or what was the.
Speaker A:He was involved previously from a professional standpoint.
Speaker A:I just came.
Speaker A:For the life of me, I'm blanking on where he came from, but he's definitely has that sort of circle the wagons corporate mentality.
Speaker A:And I agree.
Speaker A:I think Andrew Messick and even.
Speaker A:I'll even say Scott Derou, I think, has been much more willing to sort of come out and try to take ownership of their brand, of their product.
Speaker A:And I. I think that that's.
Speaker A:I think that's what people want, is that authenticity.
Speaker A:And I think that that is something that Sam needs to work on.
Speaker A:He needs to become a little more authentic and a little bit stronger in that regards and if he really wants to sell this and, and if he really wants to create T100 to be an event age group driven product because I mean it seems that that's what they want and certainly they're light years away from being successful at that.
Speaker A:So they need to work on what their mission statement and goals really are.
Speaker B:Yeah, and I have said this now for a little while that I think that their biggest problem is that they don't really have an identity.
Speaker B:They don't really seem to know who they are or what they want to be.
Speaker B:And until they figure that part out, it's going to be very hard for them to communicate that to anybody else because they keep changing it every year and then they don't really stick to a specific mission.
Speaker B:So I think until they can sort out their identity, it's going to be kind of difficult for them to get traction and really be a lasting force.
Speaker B:And listen, as triathletes, it does not hurt to have more competition.
Speaker B:It does not hurt to have more races to go to in better places.
Speaker B:I continue to believe that their choice of venues and their choice of race design is not as attractive.
Speaker B:Now there's clearly when they give their races to the right organizers like they did in San Francisco and in London, sorry in Vancouver, where they gave them the local organizers who put on fantastic events that were in much nicer courses, more beautiful and more athlete friendly, then they do well.
Speaker B:But when they go to these cities and they plop their races in a city and they make them multiple laps, I don't understand the motivation behind that because it clearly inconveniences the people in the city.
Speaker B:It clearly is not the best event that that athletes are necessarily going to want to take part in.
Speaker B:So again, I want them to succeed.
Speaker B:I want them to do well, but I need them to be consistent and do the job that they keep saying.
Speaker B:They keep priding themselves on doing so well, but they haven't yet really done all that well consistently.
Speaker B:So we'll see.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think the one thing we can.
Speaker A:Yeah, and I think the grand finals should be great because the women's race especially because it's awful close and it can go a bunch of.
Speaker A:It can go Duran, it can go Kate Waffet can go to lcb.
Speaker A:I mean it's going to be very, very exciting.
Speaker A:And I think we can all agree that the, the PTO has the.
Speaker A:Or the T100 rather has provided an economic benefit to the professional athletes that have.
Speaker A:That has been very beneficial and helpful for them.
Speaker A:And so for that, I am grateful for.
Speaker A:I'm glad that the pros have been able to find another source of revenue that can really help them, because this is a difficult sport from a professional standpoint.
Speaker A:There's just not a lot of money out there and sponsorship dollars that they're all chasing.
Speaker A:So from that standpoint, I'm glad they're around.
Speaker A:And I hope that.
Speaker A:I do hope they succeed, but they do need to do some work.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker B:All right, well, let's turn away from the T100.
Speaker B:We will have the grand final coming up in a.
Speaker B:Well, I guess it's just a couple of weeks now, but we will return to that discussion as it gets closer.
Speaker B:But I do want to turn our attention to the final edition of the Ironman Arizona, which is a race that I have participated in previously.
Speaker B:I really enjoyed it when I did.
Speaker B:It's understandable that that race is going to be leaving.
Speaker B:When it started in Tempe, Tempe was really just kind of an offshoot of the area.
Speaker B:And over time, the city has grown to really envelop that whole area.
Speaker B: member when I did the race in: Speaker B: I think I was there in: Speaker B:And you could really see how there was development going on all along the bike course.
Speaker B:And each year that bike course has just been swallowed up by more and more housing.
Speaker B:So it was only a matter of time, I think perhaps before this race was going to be a victim of the city's success around it.
Speaker B:Still a little bit unfortunate.
Speaker B:It was a kind of a iconic feature on the calendar.
Speaker B:It is no more.
Speaker B:But, Ryan, you think you have some insights that there will be a replacement?
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:I can say that the city of Tempe really loved the race.
Speaker A:The race had a.
Speaker A:Had an economic benefit to Tempe.
Speaker A:The problems, unfortunately, were with these.
Speaker A:The Pima River, Salt River Indian community were no longer willing to allow the beeline to be accessed for the bike course.
Speaker A:It was intrusive to them and there were complaints within the community.
Speaker A:And that ultimately was really the.
Speaker A:The final straw that broke the camel's back for the race, unfortunately.
Speaker A:So I know Tempe was sort of.
Speaker A:Sort of was willing to take the blame on that.
Speaker A:But I am hopeful maybe at some.
Speaker A:Some point the reservation may reconsider and allow the race to come back.
Speaker A:But as of right now, there's.
Speaker A:It's not.
Speaker A:It's not looking particularly likely.
Speaker A:So Ironman in my conversations with Ironman, folks who are on the ground here in Arizona for the race have told me that there is a new Southwest Ironman that's going to come.
Speaker A:I'm not sure when it's going to be announced.
Speaker A:I know they have the location that they're, that they're going to start doing the logistics and looking at, but it will be in the Southwest and stay tuned.
Speaker A:So it will definitely be a new event to help replace Iron Man.
Speaker A:Arizona's absence and it was sad to go down there for the last time to Tempe to cheer everyone on.
Speaker A:It's a race I've done number of times myself.
Speaker A:It might, it was fun.
Speaker A:I, I, I was really excited to see Steph Clutterbuck come and do the race.
Speaker A:I thought she would have a really good opportunity there to get her Kona slot early.
Speaker A:We had some, some, some real well known gals like Dee Grease Bower who is doing her final race.
Speaker A:Meredith Kessler was there doing her final race.
Speaker A:And I've known Meredith for many, many years.
Speaker A:She's been a constant presence on the professional field and she's in her early 40s at this point.
Speaker A:And so it was their last races.
Speaker A:Mike Riley showed up to call a bunch of them in which was, which was a lot of fun for everybody.
Speaker A:Steph Clutterbuck I ran into actually in the morning as she was getting ready for the swim and I had a chance to catch up and talk to her briefly and then I saw her while the run was still ongoing because she had to pull out of the race.
Speaker A:She had a panic attack on the swim and I which is unusual because she's a, she's a ace swimmer.
Speaker A:But for some reason she just got in that water and it wasn't even that cold.
Speaker A:The water was about 68, which for or 65, which for Arizona is quite warm.
Speaker A:But she had a panic attack and she doesn't know why she's still here.
Speaker A:She went down to Tucson to do a little training and is now back up here in Phoenix getting ready for La Quinta in a couple weeks.
Speaker A:So we'll see.
Speaker A:I'm, I'm hopeful that she can turn, turn that around and feel ender season on a high note.
Speaker A:I also ran into Joe Skipper.
Speaker A:This was after he had pulled, also pulled out of the race after having a lot of problems on the bike, including a penalty and just not feeling great at all in the bike to the point where he got to the run and he felt that possibly something was more wrong than he appreciated and had made the decision to pull out.
Speaker A:It was fun to watch Sam try and run down Mino Kulas, who ended up winning the event by a lot.
Speaker A:But Sam was able to secure his Kona slot.
Speaker A:Iron man provided him with a dispensation that he did not need to appear at the awards ceremony to get a slot the next day because his wife Laura was about to give birth, which she did on Tuesday, I believe, following the race.
Speaker A:And then Ben Canute from the United States obviously got the third in final Kona slot.
Speaker A:So it's good to see Ben, who's had really a kind of a tough maybe call it two years since his great challenge Roth result two years ago, get an early season Kona slot.
Speaker A:So now he can sort of prepare for that for next year and make that more of a focus.
Speaker B:Yeah, Ben has been kind of, I don't know, he's.
Speaker B:He's had a bit of a rough kind of go of it ever since that silver medal at 70.3 worlds in St. George a couple of years ago.
Speaker B:He is just.
Speaker B:I don't know, he just seems to be kind of missing that extra gear.
Speaker B:And I'm not really sure what it is.
Speaker B:He.
Speaker B:He's always kind of in the mix, at least obviously through the swimwear, which is his strength, and then kind of fades on the bike.
Speaker B:It was nice to see him do as well as he did in Arizona.
Speaker B:And I thought that, like you, I thought, well, maybe now that he's qualified and he's got the full year, maybe that'll give him the opportunity to really come to Kona next year and be more of a presence.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:Because I keep waiting for him to have that kind of breakout and it's just not happened.
Speaker B:So I don't know.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:And it was interesting to hear that about Steph Clutterbuck.
Speaker B:I didn't recognize that that had happened, but we all recognize as age groupers that the panic attack on the swim is very real possibility.
Speaker B:I would not have thought that for a professional that that is something that they face as well.
Speaker B:And certainly the water in La Qu is a lot colder.
Speaker B:So hopefully that wasn't the issue for her.
Speaker B:It wasn't the temperature, but maybe just something else.
Speaker B:So anyways, we'll see.
Speaker B:But it's interesting you mention the dispensation that Sam was given for his slot because that comes into play with our next story, which is the story around Ironman Cozumel.
Speaker B:So Iron Man Cozumel, the women's race was won by Lisa Peterer, the Austrian woman who we had, Matt and I had thought might do quite well in Kona and she actually did.
Speaker B:She finished fifth.
Speaker B:She was trying to get her Kona slot locked up early by participating in Ironman Cozumel and she had a great race.
Speaker B:She went on to win the women's field but she missed the slot allocation.
Speaker B:She just showed up late.
Speaker B:She just didn't make it.
Speaker B:And Ironman is pretty firm about these things.
Speaker B:It's the same thing for age groupers as it is for pros.
Speaker B:If you are not there when they call your name, you do not get your slot.
Speaker B:And there was a little bit of blowback on social media about this.
Speaker B:People felt that that wasn't necessarily fair.
Speaker B:Brian, what's your take on that?
Speaker A:Well, it certainly has precedent.
Speaker A:It's happened, it has happened before where a pro has missed their, their slot allocation and Ironman has been firm in the fact that they, they do expect you to be there when your name is called to go up and accept it just like they accept expect us to do that as age groupers.
Speaker A:It sounds like it wasn't, it wasn't necessarily intentional on Lisa's part.
Speaker A:She wasn't trying to blow it off.
Speaker A:It sounds like there might have been some logistical snafus of her navigating through Cozumel in traffic to get there on time, but unfortunately she did miss it.
Speaker A:And you know, I haven't heard that she has, has tried to lodge a protest or anything like that as I'm sure she, she figured as well that's the breaks and, and she'll, she has ample opportunity to get another one.
Speaker A:So I, I, and I believe she's interested in the pro series so she will be definitely doing an additional qualifying race at some point next year.
Speaker A:No doubt she'll be able to, to find one there.
Speaker A:So I don't think it's, it's, I don't think it's a big deal for her.
Speaker A:But always got to remember to we got to abide by the rules.
Speaker A:Rules are what they are and we all have to abide by them.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I think it's really, I could just imagine how painful it is to know now that there's this pressure of having to qualify somewhere else because, you know, an Ironman's a long day.
Speaker B:Anything can happen.
Speaker B:There's no guarantee that she's going to be able to just so easily wrap up that slot.
Speaker B:But yeah, I mean that's the rules.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker B:I mean it's like you and I were talking before we started recording.
Speaker B:It's like the hit that.
Speaker B:That's part of her job.
Speaker B:I mean, it's just like all of us, we all have jobs that we do, and if we don't fulfill the requirements of our job, we don't get special dispensations all the time.
Speaker B:And this is the same thing for her.
Speaker B:And I feel terrible that this happened to her, and I don't wish it on anybody, and I'm a fan of hers, and I'm sorry that this happened, but I recognize that these are the rules, and that's the way it works, and that she shouldn't be given any special treatment over an age grouper who had the same thing might have happened to them.
Speaker B:And we want to be clear that Sam Long did request that permission beforehand, that if he qualified for a slot in Arizona, that he didn't have to be there because his wife was, you know, potentially going to be in labor.
Speaker B:And he wanted to be there to support his wife for the birth of their second child, which is wholly understandable.
Speaker B:And I'm sure if Lisa had had extenuating circumstances and asked for the same thing, she would have gotten it.
Speaker B:But that wasn't the issue here.
Speaker B:The issue was that she just got caught in traffic or whatever the issue was, and just.
Speaker B:She just couldn't get there, which is tragic.
Speaker B:But I don't really have.
Speaker B:You know, it's fair game.
Speaker B:I feel terrible for her.
Speaker B:Yeah, there's not much you could say.
Speaker A:Fair game and.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:I'm confident she'll get another one.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think you're.
Speaker B:You're right about that.
Speaker B:All right, well, we want to finish this Thanksgiving show by talking about the email that came out.
Speaker B:We're recording this on Wednesday, the day before Thanksgiving.
Speaker B:And an email came out today teasing a new event that's going to be announced on Monday, December 1st.
Speaker B:And, Brian, you think you have some insight as to what that is?
Speaker B:I know Matt and I kind of dropped the intel you gave us previously, but you believe that Monday is probably going to be which new event?
Speaker A:I think this is going to be the replacement for Iron Man St. George.
Speaker A:I was told the location.
Speaker A:I'll.
Speaker A:I won't say, but I'm pretty sure that that's what this is.
Speaker A:The only other thing it could be would be the Southwest Ironman full announcement, but that.
Speaker A:I just don't think they're ready to do that at this point.
Speaker A:But I do believe the St. George replacement race is all set, and they're pretty comfortable with that.
Speaker A: worlds in: Speaker A:That will be in the United States.
Speaker A:So for all of the.
Speaker B:I can't believe that hasn't been announced yet.
Speaker A:Yeah, well, I mean they've got.
Speaker A:They've got nice coming up next year and so I would expect they would say something shortly.
Speaker A:But they like as of two weeks ago, there were four cities that were still in the bidding and they're geographically dispersed across the US So it'll be interesting to see.
Speaker A: But if you are planning your: Speaker B:And if it is coming back to the States, which we feel like it is, then that means there'll be a lot of slots on offer.
Speaker B: e right now you're looking at: Speaker B:And it's been trickling down to about 100.
Speaker B:Generally when the race is in North America, you can figure there's going to be at least 50 to 60 slots per even 100, sometimes depending on the race.
Speaker B:So that means that you can count on those slots rolling even further.
Speaker B:So the opportunity to get to a world championship from a North American race is going to be a lot higher and a lot better.
Speaker B:So this will be a big opportunity for people who are previously close but not right there.
Speaker B:This is going to be a big chance.
Speaker B:So that is something to be excited about.
Speaker A:And we have the new.
Speaker A:The new qualification system obviously that did receive a revamp heading into Ironman Arizona as it applies to ironman races.
Speaker A:The 70.3 allocation process with the performance pool seems to be working out pretty well.
Speaker A:It seems like most men and women obviously are receiving basically the same amount of slots because you have two days of racing.
Speaker A:So it makes the performance pool gender specific.
Speaker A:And now Ironman has switched the qualifying pool for full Ironman for Kona slots to a male and a female pool.
Speaker A:We applied that at Arizona was the first opportunity to make that application and it did see four women make it into the performance pool.
Speaker A:Um, so it wasn't just the age group winners that were given slots.
Speaker A:There was also four additional women that had opportunities to take a Kona slot.
Speaker A:Whereas in some previous races they were not making it into the performance pool.
Speaker A:Because of this, the high competitive level of the men who were showing up to try and go to Kona who had not been there in two Years, so we'll see how this all plays out.
Speaker A:But certainly 70.3 qualification system will be a lot of fun next year with a lot of people getting super excited to try and go to a North American race because it's been what, St. George 20, 22 was the last time it was here.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, it's been a while.
Speaker B:And Brian, the race in Utah, do you have a sense of what time of year it's going to be?
Speaker B:Because we've talked about the location, you and I, and given that location, I think they're a little bit limited.
Speaker B:They're not going to be able to do it in the spring.
Speaker B:They're not going to be able to do it too late in the, in the fall.
Speaker B:It's going to have.
Speaker B:But it's.
Speaker B:Because of where it is, it's going to have to be late summer.
Speaker B:So I'm thinking probably late August, early September.
Speaker B:What do you, what are your thoughts?
Speaker A:Well, I mean, I, I think from the calendar standpoint, but that's.
Speaker A:They didn't say Obviously, you know, St. George was in May and maybe.
Speaker A:But maybe that location later.
Speaker A:May might be possible.
Speaker A:It may not be.
Speaker A:I'm not sure how cold it will.
Speaker A:It gets.
Speaker A:And so I guess that's, that's gonna be the determining factor.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Is it, is it gonna be warm enough to actually conduct a race, you know, in, in that location at that time of year?
Speaker A:If it's not, then they would have to push it into summer or late summer, for sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And, and also I think about the water temperatures.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Just because mountain runoff throughout May, June.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Is way too cold.
Speaker B:So they're gonna have to wait for that water to warm up.
Speaker B:So later in the year for sure.
Speaker B:All right, well, we'll see.
Speaker B:We'll know on Monday.
Speaker B:So we will see.
Speaker B:We'll be excited to find out and we'll probably talk about it next week when Matt's back.
Speaker B:Well, that is what we have to discuss this week on Tempo Talks.
Speaker B:We are so glad that you were here to listen to us on your holiday weekend.
Speaker B:We hope that you have had a fantastic Thanksgiving and we look forward to spending the remainder of this holiday season as we move on through Christmas and New Year's with you as well, Brian.
Speaker B:I can't thank you enough for coming in and substituting for Matt this week.
Speaker B:It's been a real pleasure.
Speaker B:I always enjoy chatting with you.
Speaker B:You bring great insights and a great opinion and perspective to the Tempo Talks.
Speaker B:I know that Matt will enjoy hearing you speak as well, and he's going to miss the fact that he wasn't here to chat with you.
Speaker A:Oh, well, I can't say enough about the show.
Speaker A:I love it.
Speaker A:And now my biggest regret is, honestly, it's gonna be Friday morning and I have nothing to listen to because I'm not gonna listen to myself.
Speaker B:Oh, you totally should.
Speaker B:You have to.
Speaker B:You have to hear how you sound.
Speaker A:Always in my.
Speaker A:My trick to fan coma.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:All right, well, that's what we've got for you this week.
Speaker B:We look forward to speaking to you again next week.
Speaker B:Brian, thanks again for being here.
Speaker B:It's been a great conversation.
Speaker B:And have a great weekend, Sam.
