Tempo Talks returns! From Oregon 70.3 to Boise 70.3 and beyond
The episode encapsulates the multifaceted nature of triathlon racing through the lens of personal narratives and competitive experiences. The speakers reflect on their recent participation in the Oregon 70.3, detailing the race's scenic course and the communal enthusiasm that pervades the event. Their discourse reveals the underlying camaraderie among athletes, bolstered by shared challenges and victories. Noteworthy is the exploration of the allocation process for World Championship slots, which serves as a critical learning experience for the participants. This aspect of the conversation sheds light on the complexities of competition, particularly in the context of age-group rankings and the implications for future races. The speakers' insights provide a comprehensive understanding of the triathlon landscape, blending personal experiences with broader competitive dynamics, thus enriching the listener's grasp of the sport.
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Transcript
What would happen if you brought together a professional triathlete and producer of one of the most widely read triathlon newsletters?
Speaker B:Together with the tridoc medical contributor for Triathlete magazine, age group winner and coach at LifeSport coaching, I'd say you had.
Speaker A:The makings of a pretty good podcast.
Speaker B:Welcome to Tempo Talks.
Speaker B:Two perspectives, one sport.
Speaker B:All things triathlon.
Speaker A:Matt, we're back.
Speaker A:I missed you.
Speaker A:How have you been?
Speaker B:Yeah, we are back.
Speaker B:Really happy to see you, Jeff.
Speaker B:I'm doing well.
Speaker B:I got a race this weekend and you just had a race last weekend.
Speaker B:And I really.
Speaker B:We haven't really talked about it.
Speaker B:We don't usually FaceTime or anything after these races.
Speaker B:So let's hear about your race.
Speaker B:Take me through it.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:It was the Oregon 70.3.
Speaker A:It's my second time doing this event and it really is.
Speaker A:I think it is such a nice event for a couple of reasons.
Speaker A:Number one, because it's just a beautiful course.
Speaker A:But number two, because it's so nice to go to a community where you feel so warmly embraced.
Speaker A:As we know from going to a lot of these events, often there is sometimes kind of under.
Speaker B:Animosity.
Speaker A:Animosity.
Speaker A:Sometimes it's just right out there and face forward.
Speaker A:And that's not always the greatest feeling, especially when you're riding your bike.
Speaker A:But Salem, really a small kind of town.
Speaker A:It's a small capital of a state and it is just so enthusiastic about the event for obvious reasons.
Speaker A:It brings in a lot of people a lot of income for that weekend.
Speaker A:The race takes place on roads that are not within the city itself and not heavily trafficked.
Speaker A:So I think it's not a huge impact on the community.
Speaker A:And they just really are so happy to see the Ironman athletes coming through.
Speaker B:That's awesome.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Is it like Salem Curious.
Speaker B:It's a town where the event feels like a big deal.
Speaker B:Like you're not just lost in like the area or the city.
Speaker B:Like it actually has an impact.
Speaker A:It feels like it's a pretty big deal.
Speaker A:And I was talking to a couple of people who were working at the event who are locals and they were the volunteer coordinator, Moses Keener, who is a life sport athlete, was.
Speaker A:He's the volunteer coordinator for the race and lives in Salem and was telling me that there are a couple of other events that take place during the year in Salem that are equally large and take over the whole city.
Speaker A:And the Ironman is one of those things that locals look forward to.
Speaker A:They are very eager to welcome people coming into town to show off the city.
Speaker A:And it really is a charming small city.
Speaker A:I don't even know if it qualifies as a city.
Speaker A:It really seems so small.
Speaker A:And it has a very charming downtown with a lot of nice restaurants.
Speaker A:And it's the second time I've been there with my wife and my son.
Speaker A:Both my daughters were able to come this time and they really liked it.
Speaker A:It's a spectator friendly race and it's just great.
Speaker A:And as an athlete, there's that downriver swim, which is just ridiculous.
Speaker A:And I gotta tell you, after coming off a boulder, this was.
Speaker B:We needed a little downriver time, huh?
Speaker A:Needed a downriver time.
Speaker A:And I swam on Saturday as a warmup with my life sport fellow athletes.
Speaker A:There were a large group, almost 30 of us there.
Speaker A:And coach Juliet Hockman, who was there leading the whole crew, as she so affably and enthusiastically does.
Speaker A:She says, guys, you really want to stay away from the left side of the course, even though that's the fastest part of the river, because Ironman really needs that part of the river.
Speaker A:And I was being the diligent and responsible coach leading the swim.
Speaker A:I'm like, okay, I'm going to listen to Julia and I'm going to stay right.
Speaker A:And I stayed right and did not get the current assist.
Speaker A:And I got out of the water in 28 minutes.
Speaker A:And last year I swam 19.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh my God, this Boulder curse is just following me along.
Speaker A:This is terrible.
Speaker A:And as I got out of the water, I could see all the life sport athletes were already there, even though I led the way.
Speaker A:And I said to Juliet, I said, where did you swim?
Speaker A:She said, I swam on the far left.
Speaker A:Where did you swim?
Speaker A:You told me not to.
Speaker B:She was just trying to psyche out pre race.
Speaker A:Totally.
Speaker A:Anyway, so I learned my lesson Sunday morning.
Speaker A:I swam far left and swam 21 minutes, so was feeling a lot better about myself.
Speaker A:So if you don't love the swim, if you want to feel good about yourself, Oregon is a really nice place to have that good feeling because it really does.
Speaker B:You would have beat the bag of chips or whatever.
Speaker B:Isn't that the thing?
Speaker B:A bag of chips?
Speaker A:Something like that, yeah.
Speaker A:The baggage floating down the river.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, swim was lovely.
Speaker A:Water temperature was perfect.
Speaker A:You jump in, you just go with the current and down you go.
Speaker A:21 minutes later you're out of the water and up a ramp and to your bike.
Speaker A:And the bike course is.
Speaker A:Is really nice.
Speaker A:I biked pretty much the same as last year, which is great for me.
Speaker A:Because Boulder was a little bit of a fiasco.
Speaker A:Not, not a fiasco, but for not up to my usual standards.
Speaker A:And Oregon was.
Speaker A:And then the run is really nice.
Speaker A:It goes to a nice park, it's shaded.
Speaker A:It was a nice cool day.
Speaker A:So we had mid set perfect temperatures.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Overcast.
Speaker A:It was just a perfect day for racing and it was just great.
Speaker A:I was just super happy to get another one done.
Speaker A:This marks I'm somewhere around 170.3s now over my career.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:And then I learned a lot about the allocation process which is I think really was for me a big take home.
Speaker A:So I should say that I definitely want to go to Nice next year.
Speaker A:It is something that I am eager.
Speaker B:To for 70.3 worlds.
Speaker A:70.3 worlds.
Speaker A: mpeted in Nice when it was in: Speaker A:I love the.
Speaker A:I love Nice.
Speaker A:I just love going to France.
Speaker A:I speak French, I have friends who live in France.
Speaker A:So it's really, for me it's someplace I want to go.
Speaker A:However, in Oregon I finished an eighth in my age group.
Speaker A:We are.
Speaker A:My age group was ridiculous.
Speaker A:55, 59 year old men.
Speaker A:The winner was 4:11.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was ridiculous.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And my time was 4:37, which is.
Speaker A:I'm pretty happy with that last year.
Speaker A:Sorry, I was 4:37 last.
Speaker A:No, I was 4:28 last year.
Speaker A:I was 4:37 this year.
Speaker A:So I had a very, what I consider to be a very respectable time and yet finished 8th and was happy with my day and yet a little bit disheartened with my placing, thinking there's seven guys ahead of me.
Speaker A:I'm not going to get a world championship slot.
Speaker A:My wife and I had decided beforehand we probably weren't gonna stay for awards because we really couldn't.
Speaker A:We had to get to Portland to visit a friend.
Speaker A:But as I'm in the car and awards are starting, Brian Dunn, friend of the podcast, is texting me.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:Dude, have you seen the list?
Speaker A:I had not.
Speaker A:And I pulled up on my app the list.
Speaker A:Now the list only comes out when the award ceremony starts.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:They don't do it before.
Speaker A:Here's.
Speaker A:Yeah, so here's how it works.
Speaker A:So basically you gotta wait around till 3:45.
Speaker A:Now keep in mind I finished my race around 11am so I would have had to wait around till 3:45, which is not a huge deal if you're going to spend the day there anyways.
Speaker A:But I wasn't.
Speaker A:So, you know, if you wait around till 3:45, the list comes out.
Speaker A:It's got the normalized times for men and women.
Speaker A:And that's the other thing.
Speaker B:Age graded.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Like they age graded.
Speaker A:Yeah, I call it normalized, but that's really what it is.
Speaker A:And the other thing I learned, Matt.
Speaker A:Cause I had said to you, I didn't know how they were gonna fill a women's day without doing women for tri spots.
Speaker A:And so what I learned was they're not doing 50 slots and then mixing the men and women together and then just making a performance pool of ranked men and women mixed.
Speaker A:So I had thought 50 slots, age group winners accounts for 24.
Speaker A:And then there's 26 slots that's gonna go into the performance pool, which is a mix of men and women.
Speaker A:No, that's not what they're doing.
Speaker A:So what they're doing is they have a list of men, they have a list of women, and there are 35 slots.
Speaker A:In Oregon, there were 35 slots for the men, 35 slots for the women, and that's how they go.
Speaker A:So if you were ranked in the top 35 and you were ranked in the top 35 of men or women, then you were likely to get a slot.
Speaker A:Now, remember, the top age group winners automatically got a slot.
Speaker A:But after that, it rolled down.
Speaker A:And so I ended up.
Speaker A:I was the 138th or something like that overall, and I was like 113th male to finish.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:But when they normalized, when they age graded the results, I was 36th.
Speaker B:Oh, wow.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that factoring really matters.
Speaker A:So I learned a couple of things.
Speaker A:If you want to go to age group worlds and you have a decent day, you gotta wait.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:There's a good chance you're gonna be on that list.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because I got.
Speaker A:Especially if you're in an older age group.
Speaker A:That's the big thing.
Speaker A:Like, the older age groups benefit here.
Speaker A:Like, I. I was eighth place.
Speaker A:So clearly eight of us would have qualified for worlds if I had stuck around and if everybody had wanted it.
Speaker A:I don't know if everybody took them.
Speaker A:I don't know how long the women's.
Speaker A:I know somebody who was 65th on the list, and she got a slot.
Speaker A:So the women's groups for sure were rolling.
Speaker A:I don't know how far they rolled on the men's side.
Speaker A:I don't know why they're rolling.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's because people don't want to go to nice again.
Speaker A:I don't know if it's because people around.
Speaker B:There's probably some fatigue Just in the triathlon sphere, I would feel like there might be.
Speaker A:There might also be just the fact that people didn't stick around because they didn't know how the process worked.
Speaker A:Like me.
Speaker B:Interesting.
Speaker A:They're looking at their time, they're looking at where they were in their age group, and they're thinking, well, what's the point?
Speaker A:I don't want to wait around.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:I don't know what the true answer to that is.
Speaker A:I will tell you that my wife was very disappointed because now I'm under pressure for my next race.
Speaker A:I better finish.
Speaker A:A next race has only 30 slots for the men.
Speaker A:I better finish in that top 30.
Speaker B:So based on your trajectory, your performance trajectory from Boulder to the new.
Speaker A:Qualified.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:You know, so you got so much more time.
Speaker B:When's Tri Cities?
Speaker B:When's the next race?
Speaker A:September.
Speaker A:I'm hoping it'll be okay.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm very bullish on you getting your slot.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker B:You'll.
Speaker B:I have a good feeling.
Speaker A:But it was really interesting to see how.
Speaker A:So, Juliet, who I mentioned previously, our friend and colleague from LifeSport, she was the 10th overall female, but because of her age group and because of the age grading, she ended up ranked number one overall.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:She is an impressive athlete, though.
Speaker B:She is an incredible athlete.
Speaker B:So, yeah, number one overall.
Speaker B:I'm not surprised.
Speaker B:I'm actually not surprised at all.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:It's not the first time she's had such a sensational day.
Speaker A:And if they were age group.
Speaker A:If they were age grading results previously, she would have had similar kind of finish in the past.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And our coach has told us.
Speaker B:Told me about her output on the bike.
Speaker B:And I'm just gonna say I'm glad I don't have to race her.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:It was really a fun day, a very educational day in terms of learning about how the World Championship slots are allocated and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So if you're interested in a World Championship slot, definitely don't be discouraged based on where you kind of finish.
Speaker A:When you look at your initial results on the tracker, stick around, things roll, and you may find out that your result bumps you up quite a bit more once the age grading is done.
Speaker A:So pretty interesting stuff.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker B:Stay for the awards is maybe the takeaway, I guess.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Matt, what have we got to that?
Speaker A:We got a lot to talk about today.
Speaker A:We haven't talked in a couple of weeks, by the way.
Speaker A:I do want to thank everybody who reached out through the Facebook group, the Talk Tempo talks.
Speaker A:Facebook group.
Speaker A:But there's A lot of people saying how they were going to miss the program while we were on break for a couple of weeks.
Speaker A:So we are happy to be back with you and we hope that this hasn't been too difficult.
Speaker B:It's a hardship not hearing our voices.
Speaker B:I don't think so.
Speaker B:But thank you to everyone who chimed in for sure.
Speaker A:All right, Matt, what have we got on tap for today?
Speaker A:We have a bunch of recent race results.
Speaker A:One that we're going to go back a little bit in time and then a couple of recent things.
Speaker A:What are we going to.
Speaker A:What are we going to cover?
Speaker B:We should talk about the most recent one, which is this past weekend's Ironman Lake Placid.
Speaker B:I think that was pretty important in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:And then we'll talk about a few races coming up this weekend.
Speaker B:I'm going to be racing at Ironman 70.3 Boise, which should be interesting.
Speaker B:Some good fields there.
Speaker B:And there's also Ironman Leeds coming up this weekend, which should be a good one.
Speaker B:And then just get into that, there's another pro triathlete, very accomplished, distinguished pro triathlete, recently just retired, I think hours ago.
Speaker B:And we'll touch on that as well.
Speaker A:All right, let's start with Ironman Lake Placid, which took place this past weekend.
Speaker A:It was a very exciting event.
Speaker A:I was talking with my daughter Lauren, who is a fan of Chelsea Sedaro.
Speaker A:We saw that Chelsea was on the start list, but I'm not sure she actually started.
Speaker A:So what happened there?
Speaker B:I honestly didn't even know she was on the start list.
Speaker B:But I guess, you know, I don't know what her results this year like.
Speaker B:She's not really in for a pro series position at this stage.
Speaker A:I think not.
Speaker A:I think she's not had a year that she would ideal.
Speaker A:That she would characterize as ideal.
Speaker B:And I guess.
Speaker B:Has she even finished an Ironman race this year?
Speaker B:I don't even know if she's finished a full distance race which if she wants to.
Speaker B:Kona, that's.
Speaker B:You're gonna.
Speaker B:You're running out of time.
Speaker A:She's running out of time.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So yeah, interesting there.
Speaker B:But no, she wasn't on the star list.
Speaker B:But there was plenty, plenty of talent, young talent, new talent, especially in the women's race.
Speaker B:So I think maybe we.
Speaker B:Can we talk about that first.
Speaker B:We had the big winner of the day was Solvag Loveseth.
Speaker B:I hope I'm pronouncing that right.
Speaker A:It's an awesome name.
Speaker A:Anytime somebody's got an O with A strike through it in their name that is definitely worth mentioning.
Speaker B:Yes and she is very new to I guess draft non drafting to the Ironman distance but she really bursts onto the scene this year essentially she won the 70.3 in Venice, the pro series race earlier I think in May and then in June.
Speaker B:Just had an absolute breakthrough going.
Speaker B:Maybe not fully toe to toe but really kind of competing with Kat Matthews, with Laura Philipp, the two best I would say full distance women in the world right now.
Speaker B:And she really didn't leave too many, too much day daylight between her and them finishing third at that European Championship and she brought that form into Lake Placid.
Speaker B:Definitely a less competitive race I would say than or than Hamburg rather so really did you follow the race much on the Sunday you were racing?
Speaker A:I was racing but I heard snippets as I was going through.
Speaker A:People were like talking about the race as I was running along.
Speaker A:Yeah it was really funny and I could hear what was going on and then I checked up on the tracker afterwards mostly because I was interested in our friend Tamara Jewett who we will talk about in a moment but I was.
Speaker A:I thought Jackie Herring for sure would have a chance.
Speaker A:The other name that was on the list and disappeared was Sarah True so I don't know what happened to her.
Speaker B:Yeah, Sarah True and also Danielle Lewis who was the defending champion from last year.
Speaker B:Just a very different race this year like right out of the water it was pretty, pretty good pace in the swim, a non wetsuit swim which always hurts the non swimmers a bit and you saw right away athletes like Lisa Perder who like Solveg is comes from that short course background.
Speaker B:You saw Holly Lawrence, a former 70.3 world champion get to the front of the bike pretty quickly and love Seth.
Speaker B:She didn't really have a great swim and never got to the front of the bike but she never lost significant amount of time.
Speaker B:I think she was six minutes back out of the swim and basically six minutes back coming off the bike and really on the run is where she powered through.
Speaker B:I think she ran a 240something marathon if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker A:She was high 240s.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:So like a sub 250 marathon on that course.
Speaker B:From what I understand Lake Placid course isn't known for its pretty rolling.
Speaker A:Yeah it's pretty rolling.
Speaker B:It's pretty rolling.
Speaker B:Just overall just a very impressive performance.
Speaker B:She took the win.
Speaker B:Lisa Perder from Austria came second so two I would say I wrote this in the newsletter.
Speaker B:They I know them from the Short course racing days.
Speaker B:Like, I've been to races with them and they are both good athletes, but we're always like grinding in the trenches a bit of the short course, draft, legal racing, and now obviously stepping up to the full distance.
Speaker B:They've found their niche and both of them have put in really great performances, obviously in Lake Placid, but also earlier this year.
Speaker B:And they're definitely going to be in Kona, and I think they'll bring their own interesting brand of racing to that race.
Speaker B:Like, it just adds a whole another dynamic to the race.
Speaker B:And really seeing these athletes put in these performances, it just shows.
Speaker B:Hey, this is going to be an incredible world championship race.
Speaker A:Do you know what happened to Sarah?
Speaker A:True.
Speaker A:Like, she's in the mix and then she just.
Speaker A:She must have dropped out at some point.
Speaker B:I think so.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like, she's been.
Speaker B:I think she's been doing her PhD or something, like, while also racing pro, so maybe just missing a bit of fitness.
Speaker B:It looked like a rough day in Placid.
Speaker A:It was raining and.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Not nice Catskills kind of weather, Adirondacks kind of thing.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:We had Holly Lawrence in fifth, Danielle Lewis in sixth, but she put herself down at the end of the swim as she often does.
Speaker A:Tamara Jewett did.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And this is her Ironman debut.
Speaker A:And she.
Speaker B:She actually raced in Texas.
Speaker B:She raced in Texas.
Speaker A:Oh, that's right.
Speaker A:That's right.
Speaker B:But like her first year doing the full distance.
Speaker A:Yeah, she comes out and has a very solid bike.
Speaker A:Bikes her way up into the top 10.
Speaker A:And then you cannot count this woman out.
Speaker A:She laid down the third fastest marathon of the day.
Speaker A:And I'm not talking like in the women.
Speaker B:Women.
Speaker A:I'm talking overall.
Speaker A:The only men that beat her was there was, I think Matthew Marquardt.
Speaker A:Beater, I think.
Speaker A:And one other.
Speaker B:One other guy.
Speaker A:One other guy.
Speaker A:And Tamara Jewett had the third fastest marathon of the day and rocketed her way up to fourth place.
Speaker A:Just sensational.
Speaker A:She just continues to amaze.
Speaker A:I cannot wait to see what she does in Conan.
Speaker A:I don't think she's a threat to win because she just puts herself too far out of it.
Speaker A:Yes, but she can if she's within a whiff.
Speaker A:I mean, that woman can run like nobody's business.
Speaker B:It's similar to Chelsea Sodaro, where if she's in sniffing distance starting the run.
Speaker B:Oh, man.
Speaker B:And she senses blood in the water, like, she will hunt you down.
Speaker A:Oh, remember Laurie Bowden?
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:I grew up watching Laurie Bowden.
Speaker A:The same kind of thing.
Speaker A:Laurie, but Laurie was a reasonably.
Speaker A:She could bike.
Speaker A:Laurie could, but she couldn't bike with Natasha Badman.
Speaker A:That was the difference.
Speaker A:And Natasha could run, but man, Lori had the most sensational run leg and could come back and that's what Tamara reminds me of.
Speaker A:It's really quite amazing.
Speaker A:So, yeah, the women's race was terrific.
Speaker A:I'm really happy to see Tamara do well, get into the top five.
Speaker A:And on the men's side we had our boy Matthew, your boy, showing that Cairns was not a fluke.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:The cramping in Cairns, the incredible comeback in Cairns.
Speaker B:He cramped again in his 20s.
Speaker A:I know, like, yeah.
Speaker A:So I don't even know what to say about that.
Speaker A:But you know what, but he gets.
Speaker B:On the bike and it's just.
Speaker B:Okay, let's go.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Established himself on the bike, came out on the run and was behind Casper.
Speaker A:Right, Not Casper, I can't say his name.
Speaker B:Oh, Trevor.
Speaker A:He was behind Trevor, but Hogan Hoffen or whatever his name.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So it was an interesting, like both these races, a lot of different lead changes and interesting dynamics.
Speaker B:Like in, in the men's race, I think Matthew was like a minute back of the leaders in the swim.
Speaker B:So once he dealt with the cramping, took less time.
Speaker B:This time I guess he pushed right to the front.
Speaker B:He had, yeah, Hogan Haug with him.
Speaker B:There's a few other athletes, but they, I don't know if they were necessarily going full tilt because Trevor Foley, who was like six plus minutes back, got back to the front of the race with them not even halfway through, like within 60Ks or something like a third of the way through.
Speaker B:He had made up a six minute deficit or whatever.
Speaker B:And then when he got there, that's when the pace started picking up, I think and they started shredding guys and eventually, I guess Matthew Marquardt had about a 40 second or 30 second lead over Hogan Howe going into T2 and then another 30 seconds on Trevor.
Speaker B:So just.
Speaker B:Yeah, interesting dynamics there.
Speaker B:And then Marquardt took off.
Speaker B:I think he took off obviously going his pace and sticking to his plan.
Speaker B:Meanwhile, Trevor kind of blasted really past him before the 10k mark in the run.
Speaker B:And Christian Hogan Haug, he was just, yeah, also like running his pace in third, just holding steady.
Speaker B:But eventually Trevor looked great on the footage, he looked great on the coverage or whatever.
Speaker B:But then, oof, maybe like 25k in little over halfway.
Speaker B:I think the gap had got up to about 70 seconds over marquart.
Speaker B:But then you just see in the timing, it just slowly Comes back down.
Speaker B:And then all of a sudden he.
Speaker B:I think Mark Wyatt was like, hey, I'm doing my pace and now my pace is about to overtake you.
Speaker A:Matthew, just when he made the pass, he looked inspired.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Trevor.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was one of those passes that was a no doubter.
Speaker A:It was like with intent.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was with intent for sure.
Speaker A:And it's so interesting because Matthew just doesn't look like one of those guys who should win these things because he's a stockier builder.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He always.
Speaker A:I don't know if he's packing towels in his kit.
Speaker B:He's always got the things around his shoulders.
Speaker B:So it looks like he's like a linebacker with.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:Big shoulders.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:But man, if I quads like his, I'd be pretty happy guy to think on the bike.
Speaker A:Seriously, pretty amazing.
Speaker A:And his pace on the run, just incredible.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And I don't know, like, I wasn't paying attention what his pace was necessarily through the run because obviously Trevor went out too hard.
Speaker B:He blew up like I think he admitted he blew up.
Speaker B:So I don't know if Marquardt, if he turned on the jets like half or just did he.
Speaker A:Okay, yeah, yeah, he picked it up.
Speaker A:He started running like he had been running mid sixes and when he passed Trevor, he was running like mid fives.
Speaker B:And yeah, it held psychologically in a race like that.
Speaker B:I've never done a full distance, but you can imagine if you feel better in this going into this second half, like maybe if you feel like you've picked up a second window, the gap's not too long.
Speaker B:You're probably getting time updates.
Speaker B:That's gotta feel good knowing you're crawling back on this guy who maybe made a bad decision early on or something.
Speaker A:I know for us age groupers, we would all love to feel as we get into the second half of the run, we've got us, we've got our second wind and we're just feeling like we can negative split.
Speaker A:That would be wonderful.
Speaker B:And last year these guys went.
Speaker B:I don't know if they went exactly toe to toe or.
Speaker B:I think Trevor was the one who hunted Marquardt down.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:In Placid last year.
Speaker B:So it was a bit of a role reversal in this edition.
Speaker B:And yeah, just great racing.
Speaker B:Good action.
Speaker A:I'm curious, Matt, do you think Matthew's the real deal now because he's now one.
Speaker B:I'm going to cruise ship.
Speaker B:I'm going to go train on a cruise ship like he did before.
Speaker A:We Talked after Cairns, though.
Speaker A:We talked after Cairns and we said he's going to be.
Speaker A:He's.
Speaker A:He's got the potential to take the lead of the pro series, which he now has done.
Speaker A:And we said Conan is going to be a different story because he's going to be facing a much deeper field now.
Speaker A:He still hasn't raced the likes of Christian.
Speaker A:He hasn't raced the likes of Gustav or even, I don't think we'll see, Lionel.
Speaker A:But he hasn't raced some of the bigger names.
Speaker A:But Trevor is not a small name.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:And Trevor was clearly having a good day biking that much back into him.
Speaker B:I'm curious because, like, he won Cairns, he won this race in Lake Placid.
Speaker B:Like, they're rolling hills.
Speaker B:I don't know if they're, you know, necessarily hilly, whereas Nice is obviously incredibly hilly.
Speaker B:So I'm curious to see what his skill set is like on those hills.
Speaker B:I'm like, he's a great cyclist, so I think he'll have a good time in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:Some people, they get on the hills, especially when they really pick up and they're long and extended.
Speaker B:Speaking from experience, and it just doesn't convert.
Speaker B:So, yeah, you may be a little untested on that kind of course, but so is most of the field because that course is so unique.
Speaker A:Big thing, there is going to be descending ability and that's not something you can necessarily train for.
Speaker A:You either have it or you don't.
Speaker A:So I'm not sure about him on that.
Speaker A:I have not seen him on.
Speaker A:Although, listen, Lake Placid does have some pretty sketchy descent.
Speaker A:We should mention Jason West.
Speaker A:His debut had one of the very good run splits of the day, I would say.
Speaker A:Tip of the hat for Jason.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Whenever you outrun Tamara Jewett, you're having a good day.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:I think actually think he was, what, 238 or something?
Speaker B:Like he was a sub 240, obviously on that course.
Speaker B:Very impressive.
Speaker B:And as a debut, like, I think on the bike, he was just doing his own thing and then was able to fully express his run.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:When he came off that bike.
Speaker B:And he's a great athlete.
Speaker B:So I'm curious to see.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:How he will go in.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker B:Like, I'm curious if he's.
Speaker A:He.
Speaker B:I bumped into him in Boulder a couple times in this placid build and he was definitely training for this Iron man, like, as he would be.
Speaker B:Like, he's doing the T100, but he was definitely training for this to focus on it.
Speaker B:So I'm curious to see if he's going to do the same thing for Nice.
Speaker B:Even though There's a few T100 races.
Speaker B:I don't know his schedule, but we'll be interesting to see that as well.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:All right, let's look ahead to this weekend.
Speaker A:We got a couple of races, including one that you'll be participating in.
Speaker A:So let's begin with that.
Speaker A:That's the 70.3 in Boise.
Speaker A:It's a return to BO.
Speaker A: e it was there, which is like: Speaker A:It's been quite a while since it was there.
Speaker A:Yeah, it's been quite a while.
Speaker A:And it was a exceptionally cold swim.
Speaker A:Is it a midday start again?
Speaker A:Because it was when the race was there last time.
Speaker B:So I think because of the time of year that we're in like we're starting at 6:30 in the morning.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:So very early, but the water temperature looks like it's pretty reasonable in the 60s, upper 60s or something.
Speaker A:Oh, that's nice.
Speaker A:Because it was 53 when I did it and it was horrendous.
Speaker A:So I'm.
Speaker B:Yeah, I feel like I remember hearing about that race where it was just like cold and wet and it was in the spring, wasn't it like more spring?
Speaker A:It was June, but it was June in Idaho.
Speaker B:Could be.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe not so good.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Anyway, so that's good.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker A:Morning race.
Speaker A:You'll be done early.
Speaker A:That's good.
Speaker A:So who else will be joining you in the pros?
Speaker B:In the pro race, I feel like for the men's we have, it's almost like a Boulder plus situation.
Speaker B:So we've got a guy like Sam Appleton who won Boulder.
Speaker B:He's going to be there.
Speaker B:You have Trevor Foley who was in Boulder.
Speaker B:He's on the start list.
Speaker B:I don't know if he's going to be doing the back to back placid Boise race, but who knows, Maybe he's feeling good.
Speaker B:You also have guys, you actually have a few Canadians, a few fellow Canadians coming down.
Speaker B:So Jackson Laundry is going to be on the start line.
Speaker B:Cody Beals will be on the start line who I'm actually looking forward to meeting and racing because we've been chatting for a few years and never caught up.
Speaker B:So that'll be fun.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Like just.
Speaker B:I hate saying it, but it's.
Speaker B:I don't want to say.
Speaker B:It's kind of like a pro B grader race.
Speaker B:Like a solid B grade.
Speaker A:Oh, come on.
Speaker B:But it's not.
Speaker B:But it's not the.
Speaker B:It's not the Blumenfeld's of the world, that's for sure.
Speaker A:Not the Blumenfels.
Speaker A:But you've got Jackson, you got yourself.
Speaker B:But it's good athletes.
Speaker B:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It's a good field.
Speaker B:In the men's I think actually the women's on paper kind of seems even more competitive.
Speaker B:You have Paula Finley, who's wearing the number one.
Speaker B:You've got Danielle Lewis, who I don't know, she's might be coming back from Placid doing it.
Speaker B:You've got Erica Ockerland who recently competed in Hamburg at the World Triathlon Series race.
Speaker B:She I think gone fourth in Boulder last year in her first 70.3.
Speaker B:But she's really fit and so she'll be ready to go.
Speaker B:Yeah, just there's a lot of good women and it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
Speaker B:We've got like a two transition situation.
Speaker B:So there's like a reservoir we swim in and then bike around.
Speaker B:It's like a net downhill bike which is interesting.
Speaker B:I don't know if that's something I've done before.
Speaker B:Sounds.
Speaker A:And then the run goes along that river path.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Like it used to loops, which is.
Speaker B:Which I would imagine is pretty quick as well.
Speaker A:It wasn't for me, but I'm sure it will be for you.
Speaker B:It doesn't look like there's a lot of like elevation, no gain, there's no steep hills or anything.
Speaker B:It's just.
Speaker A:No, it's a pretty.
Speaker A:And it's.
Speaker A:It's a nice run course as I recall because it goes through the nice part of town.
Speaker A:It goes along the river.
Speaker A:It's pretty leafy.
Speaker A:It's well shaded as I recall.
Speaker B:So yeah, it's pretty hot that day so I think it'll be nice to have that shade anyways.
Speaker B:But yeah, good, good.
Speaker B:Solid fields.
Speaker B:Solid fields for sure.
Speaker A:We'll be looking forward to seeing how this training block has paid off for you because I know you've been putting a lot in so.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker B:I feel like the last little bit for me really invested in the bike volume.
Speaker B:So I'm curious to see how that translates on the bike and coming off the bike.
Speaker B:Seeing if I can feel a little better than Boulder because that was hard.
Speaker A:You have a slot for Spain, right?
Speaker A:You haven't.
Speaker A:I do.
Speaker A:You haven't decided if you're going though?
Speaker B:I haven't decided yet.
Speaker B:I'm curious to see how this race goes and then it's.
Speaker B:We'll go from there, like I said, and we've done training, so we'll see.
Speaker A:Is this one a qualifier for Nice or is this one still a qualifier.
Speaker B:For this isn't the.
Speaker B:The next qualifying period, I guess 20, 26 qualifying.
Speaker A:Got it?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:The other race this weekend is Leeds.
Speaker A:It's a full distance Ironman and it features the twice removed defending champion, Sam.
Speaker B:L. He's actually, I would you say technically he's the defending champion because it was in Nice when he won, went to Kona, he didn't win, but now it's back in Nice.
Speaker B:So could you say he's defending champ?
Speaker A:Suppose that is a way.
Speaker B:That's what I wrote.
Speaker B:I wrote that in the newsletter.
Speaker B:I was like, ah, defending champ.
Speaker B:Defending Nice champ.
Speaker B:How about that?
Speaker A:I think it's worthwhile mentioning because the last time we spoke about him there was a lot of doubt about what his form would be, whether or not we would see him racing again this year.
Speaker A:There was a lot of question about what his status was given the fact that he was casting about, looking for answers.
Speaker A:I opined that he was showing a lot of the hallmark signs of overtraining and I think that has borne out because after a period of rest and a period of recovery, he seems to have come back exceptionally well.
Speaker A:We did not get a chance to really talk about Roth, but he stamped his name with authority on that race and had a remarkable comeback day where he won Roth in just decisive fashion and just looked great doing it.
Speaker A:So he's going to be.
Speaker B:At least he looked, I would say in that race he looked like a pretty mature athlete because there was another athlete, Jonas Schomberg, who's newer to the full distance and he was going off the front, breaking away, whereas I feel like laid low, really measured his effort.
Speaker B:He understood, never panicked, just stayed in his zone and then yeah, just eventually through the run, maintained his pace while the other guy blew in front of him.
Speaker B:So yeah, he's back for sure.
Speaker B:And this I think Iron man leads, which is a male only pro race, is going to be like a validation situation.
Speaker B:Obviously he'll want to win and I don't think the start list is terribly competitive, but he just needs to finish because then he gets his.
Speaker B:Validates his slot for Nice and then boom, he's a factor in that race because he obviously has good feelings, good sensations on that course and yeah, he's a guy who knows how to handle that course, descend well, all that kind of stuff.
Speaker A:It's going to be interesting to watch.
Speaker A:Do you know who else is in that to that race you mentioned?
Speaker A:The start list is not terribly deep.
Speaker B:But no, like I, I wasn't paying too much attention.
Speaker B:He was the headliner.
Speaker B:Because when you're world champion, you, you get the clicks, you get the attention.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:Speaking of world champions, we want to finish off the program today just acknowledging the retirement of a former world champion.
Speaker A:On the women's side, German triathlete Anne Haug, who I just learned, just before we started recording, it came across my feed that she has announced her retirement just a few hours ago.
Speaker A:And Anne is a very popular athlete in the Ironman world.
Speaker A:It's someone I've really enjoyed watching.
Speaker A:She is someone who you could never count out, no matter how far back she was coming off the bike because she just did the most remarkable run and she did so effortlessly.
Speaker A:She was a diminutive athlete.
Speaker A:She had the most relaxed looking stride and I just always enjoyed watching her compete.
Speaker A:Do you have any fond memories of her?
Speaker A: just watching her in Kona in: Speaker A:How she, Lucy Charles Barkley had that very established lead off the bike and Anne just kept chipping away until she caught her in the energy lab and.
Speaker B:Oh yes, that's right.
Speaker B:That's right.
Speaker B:That would have been incredible to watch.
Speaker A:Yeah, it was just never a doubt.
Speaker A:And once she passed her, she just looked so good.
Speaker A:She's just remarkable.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:An incredible athlete.
Speaker B:Like an incredible resume.
Speaker B:Two time Olympian.
Speaker B:Did she win Kona twice?
Speaker A:Just once.
Speaker A:Just once.
Speaker B:Once.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:She was.
Speaker A:Do you know, in all the years she competed, there was only one year she wasn't on the podium.
Speaker A:She was top three every year she was there, which is pretty unremarkable.
Speaker B: ine maybe if without Covid, a: Speaker B:I don't know if anybody else by that time would have been on the same level as her because clearly she was in her own and she was always a challenge Roth winner.
Speaker B:She smashed that race, smashed the record there every year she raced it.
Speaker B:I actually trained with her for a very brief period.
Speaker B:Oof.
Speaker B:This was like 10 plus years ago in Australia.
Speaker B:And I just remember she was actually obviously a great athlete back then.
Speaker B:She was a top 10 World Triathlon Championship series athlete, like pretty consistently.
Speaker B:She was a two time Olympian and she was a hard worker, but she also was someone who was actually like willing to like go out and have some fun and hang out and Yeah, I don't know, I just remember seeing that side of her and being like, oh, okay.
Speaker B:Like, you don't need to be too cloistered too within yourself.
Speaker B:You can be a world champion.
Speaker B:You can be an incredible performer, but still have a little bit of fun and definitely a great athlete in our sport and leaves an incredible legacy.
Speaker A:She talked in her sort of interview about retiring, how she hasn't had a holiday in years.
Speaker A:And so, yes, that was one of the things to do.
Speaker A:Yeah, I am happy to wish her a good holiday now as she sets off onto her retirement.
Speaker B:Where is she gonna go?
Speaker B:Where would she go?
Speaker B:If you haven't taken a holiday in 17 years, oh my gosh, what's the Destin?
Speaker A:Somewhere without a.
Speaker B:Probably not Kona.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Probably not Hawaii.
Speaker A:Yeah.
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Speaker A:We will look forward to another episode next week.
Speaker A:I wish you all of the luck this weekend.
Speaker A:I am excited to track you while you are on course.
Speaker A:Thank you.
Speaker B:Yes, it'll be good action.
Speaker B:I'm gunning for a podium, so that's the goal this weekend.
Speaker A:Excellent.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:We will be cheering you on from afar.
Speaker A:Good luck and good luck to everybody else who's out there who might be racing.
Speaker A:If you are in Boise, make sure you say there's a few.
Speaker B:Actually, I'm looking forward to seeing a few folks there.
Speaker B:So let's do it.
Speaker A:All right, Take care, Matt.
Speaker A:Talk to you next week.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:Thanks, Jeff.
Speaker B:Good stuff.
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