From Panic Training to Race Day: Lessons Learned from St George 70.3
In this insightful episode of Tempo Talks, hosts Matthew Sharp and Jeff Sankoff embark on an elaborate exploration of the recent triathlon competition held in St. George. Sharp recounts his personal pre-race challenges, particularly a mechanical issue with his bike that led to a last-minute scramble for repairs. Such anecdotes highlight the importance of preparation and adaptability, essential traits for any triathlete navigating the complexities of race day.
The hosts then transition to a thorough breakdown of the race itself, focusing on the performances of both professional athletes and age group competitors. A key theme in this episode is the analysis of drafting during the swim portion of the race, which Sharp admits remains a challenging skill to master even after years in the sport. This segment not only emphasizes the strategic importance of drafting but also provides practical tips for athletes looking to improve their own performance. The conversation flows seamlessly from personal anecdotes to broader insights about training and race strategy, culminating in a rich tapestry of knowledge that is both engaging and educational.
Throughout the episode, there is an underlying message about the significance of community within the triathlon world. The hosts encourage listeners to share their own experiences and challenges, fostering a sense of camaraderie among athletes. This episode is not merely a recap of a race but an invitation to reflect on the intricacies of triathlon, offering valuable lessons applicable to all levels of participation. The insightful commentary, paired with the hosts' genuine passion for the sport, makes this episode a must-listen for anyone interested in the world of triathlon.
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Transcript
Welcome to Tempo Talks, a show that brings you analysis of the biggest stories in triathlon training, tips to make you a better athlete and breakdowns of the latest science and performance.
Speaker A:I'm Matthew Sharp, an Olympian in triathlon 70.3 Champion & Co founder of the Tempo News.
Speaker B:And I'm Jeff Sankoff, the tridoc medical contributor for Triathlete magazine, age group winner and coach at Life Sport Coaching.
Speaker B:Our goal, inform and entertain two perspectives.
Speaker B:One sport all things triathlon.
Speaker B:Now let's get into it.
Speaker A:Hello everyone.
Speaker A:Welcome back to another episode of Tempo Talks.
Speaker A:I'm Matthew Sharp and I'm here with my co host, my awesome co host, Jeff Sankoff.
Speaker A:Jeffrey, what's going on?
Speaker B:Hey, it's.
Speaker B:It's a turbid.
Speaker B:Turbid.
Speaker B:Not.
Speaker A:That's a great word.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker B:Yeah, turbot's a good word but I don't know if it's right.
Speaker B:It's just a crazy Wednesday.
Speaker B:Here we are recording this, of course, Wednesday afternoon and we were looking forward to a nice sort of late spring, early summer afternoon and then all of a sudden we had this crazy Colorado weather come rolling in.
Speaker B:I know you were saying you were going to bike.
Speaker B:I was going to swim.
Speaker A:Oh yes.
Speaker B:I ended up indoors and it was a little chlorinated for my liking.
Speaker B:So.
Speaker A:Do you have an outdoor pool that you submit now?
Speaker B:I do, yeah.
Speaker B:I live in a.
Speaker B:I live in pretty close to central Denver and I have a really good club that has a all year round outdoor pool and an indoor pool for when there's lightning and there's unfortunately frequently lightning.
Speaker B:So yeah, this was one of those days.
Speaker A:The outdoor swimming is, is another level.
Speaker A:I feel like I've been now twice to our outdoor pool in Boulder that just opened up.
Speaker A:Outdoor 50 meter, beautiful facility.
Speaker A:And I don't know, my attitude, my feelings towards swimming are just so different in that context.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:The regular pool.
Speaker B:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker B:And I don't have a 50 meter.
Speaker B:I only have 25 meters and I.
Speaker A:Still outside.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's still outside.
Speaker B:But man, I think those 50 meter pools must be awesome.
Speaker B:But although just standing there at the end and looking that far away.
Speaker A:Yes, it's gotta be overwhelming, intimidating.
Speaker A:It can be intimidating if you have a hard swim.
Speaker A:Even if you have an easy swim, just getting to that other end is hard.
Speaker A:And we're at altitude.
Speaker A:So a little extra.
Speaker A:Yeah, extra stimulus.
Speaker B:Well, you're at higher altitude now than you were over the weekend and that's going to be the subject of what we're Talking about today in large part, I'll give folks the lineup for today's show.
Speaker B:We don't have any reason to visit the penalty tent.
Speaker B:At least nobody let us know of any.
Speaker B:And we are going to recap what went on in St George.
Speaker B:We are going to talk about explicitly about Matt's experience there.
Speaker B:I know I enjoyed following along on the tracker and then speaking to Matt right after the race.
Speaker B:And we're going to talk about the importance of drafting on the swim.
Speaker B:A vital skill to have, one that after more than two decades in the sport I still cannot seem to sort out.
Speaker B:But I tell all my athletes that I coach, you got to learn how to do this and I can't even do it.
Speaker B:So talk about there's an art to it.
Speaker A:There's an art to it and we'll get into it.
Speaker B:I look forward to that.
Speaker B:But let's talk first about what was really a fun race to follow and a fun race, I imagine, to participate in.
Speaker B:So let's do the rundown of what went on and I should.
Speaker B:Before we even get into the pros, I want to give a shout out to Brian Dunn yet again.
Speaker B:Brian's name coming up.
Speaker B:He's a faithful listener to the podcast.
Speaker B:Brian raced in St.
Speaker B:George, had a top 10 finish in our age group.
Speaker B:He is often a podium finisher, but man, our age group was stacked in St.
Speaker B:George.
Speaker B:It often is.
Speaker B:And he did a very good job to finish in a top ten.
Speaker B:Good job, Brian.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker A:Great job, Brian.
Speaker B:Let's hear about the pros.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Very stacked racing in the age group.
Speaker A:In the pros.
Speaker A:It was a sold out race for everyone, I believe.
Speaker A:Let's start off with the women's race because it was interesting dynamics out there.
Speaker A:The course we'll get into for sure.
Speaker A:But it was almost like a mirror image of the Oceanside 70.3 about a month ago.
Speaker A:Similar cast of characters, I would say, led by Paula Finley.
Speaker A:She going to this one.
Speaker A:It was hard to see who could take her down.
Speaker A:Although the wild card that was there was Chelsea Sodaro who unfortunately got sick at Ironman Texas and didn't compete.
Speaker A:So we were looking forward to seeing maybe what she could do out there.
Speaker B:Yeah, and I saw Chelsea in the airport in Denver.
Speaker B:Yeah, I was picking up my daughter who was coming in from Edmonton or not coming from it.
Speaker B:She was coming in from Wyoming and I just happened to run into Chelsea who was there and I walked up to her and I introduced myself, said hi and immediately, because I didn't, I just saw that she Dropped off the tracker and as soon as she started talking to me, she was.
Speaker B:She's lovely, by the way.
Speaker B:I had never met her before and she was super nice and approachable and just took some time to chat with me and even gave me.
Speaker B:Gave my daughters a couple of nice rainbow stickers.
Speaker B:It was very nice.
Speaker B:Anyways, so she.
Speaker B:As soon as she started talking, she was wearing a mask and she sounded super hoarse and I was like, oh, okay, now I understand what happened.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So spoiler alert.
Speaker A:She ended up pulling out, I believe, on the bike.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Were you.
Speaker A:Were you watching this?
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:No, I couldn't watch it.
Speaker B:I was.
Speaker B:My daughter had a pole vault meet, so I was watching on the tracker and I saw her.
Speaker B:I was following her and then all of a sudden she just disappeared.
Speaker B:So I figured something had gone wrong.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And when I was out there, I didn't really see her at all.
Speaker A:So that was telling.
Speaker A:Going into this back to the women's race, we had essentially.
Speaker A:It wasn't really a lot of packs.
Speaker B:No, there often aren't, I find.
Speaker B:Usually split up on the swim and they stay split up on the bike, although you usually get a little bit of.
Speaker B:Some of the athletes can work together.
Speaker B:But I saw that, I think Vittoria Lopez, that's her name.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Led out on the swim and really led.
Speaker B:She held off Paula on the bike even.
Speaker B:She was pretty impressive.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:She had about 90 seconds out of the water.
Speaker A:A minute to 90 seconds over Paula.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Something pretty fairly significant.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And then she did a good job on the bike as well.
Speaker B:I thought that she unfortunately didn't make it through the run.
Speaker B:I don't know what happened with her either.
Speaker A:So she had a great swim, Vittoria.
Speaker A:And I don't think she spent too much time on the TT bike.
Speaker A:Maybe a bit this spring.
Speaker A:But clearly showing that she's someone who, if she decides to really full on, focus on.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker B:She's someone to watch out.
Speaker B:For.
Speaker A:Sure.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because Paula didn't actually catch her until about what, 30 miles, 50k into something like that.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:And then Vittoria, she essentially just hung with Paula for the rest of the ride, which I think we know how good Paula is.
Speaker B:Yeah, I.
Speaker B:It was amazing.
Speaker B:And then she.
Speaker B:They get off, they start running together and Victoria looks like she's actually.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:She was ahead briefly and nice.
Speaker B:But then she just pulled the penny.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So she's been dealing with a.
Speaker A:She had a stress reaction in her foot and it was.
Speaker A:I think it was never really going to be A thing that she was going to finish the race.
Speaker A:Great experience for her.
Speaker A:But then starting the run, you've got this Paula Vittoria potential battle and then all of a sudden the battle's over.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:God, well.
Speaker B:But to me, it was really exciting to see this fresh new face who clearly is going to be a real threat.
Speaker B:Yet another Olympic distance athlete coming up to this distance who's going to be really exciting to watch.
Speaker B:Not just a super fast swimmer, but somebody who can hang with someone like Paula on the bike.
Speaker A:No doubt that the cycling was definitely pretty impressive from her.
Speaker A:But after Vittoria pulled out, it was.
Speaker A:It was the Paula Show.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:There really was no.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:No other athlete in sight.
Speaker A:Yep.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:And Jackie Herring again doing a great job, rounding out the podium in third.
Speaker B:She showed yet again, she's not just a long distance athlete, but can muster the speed and the finesse to do a 70.3, which was really impressive.
Speaker A:And for her, these are just good points she's stacking for the pro series.
Speaker A:Yeah, she's more of a long distance, a full Ironman specialist.
Speaker A:So getting these podiums.
Speaker A:Oceanside and St.
Speaker A:George, just both for her.
Speaker B:I confess to not being familiar with the woman who finished in second, Danielle Lewis.
Speaker B:Oh, not Danielle.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker B:I knew Danielle.
Speaker B:Sorry.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Of course there was somebody also.
Speaker B:Maybe it was.
Speaker B:I'm looking up the tracker now to remind me.
Speaker B:Yeah, there was a name.
Speaker B:There was a name somewhere in the top five that I did not recognize and I'm trying to remember now who it was.
Speaker B:So I will find it.
Speaker A:That.
Speaker A:That course, because of its nature, the hills and the heat too, you saw a bit of carnage out there.
Speaker A:Maybe names who you thought might be up there weren't.
Speaker A:And that opened up opportunities for athletes maybe who were ready to meet the moment.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:That's the nice thing about that course.
Speaker B:It was a difficult course.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:It lets other kinds of athletes, you know, that's what it goes back to our conversation about rotating Ironman World Championships.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Different kind of course.
Speaker B:Different kind of athlete can succeed there.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:It was.
Speaker B:Paula was in control the whole way.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Danielle Lewis had a good swim, I believe, but she was behind and she held her own.
Speaker B:And it was like you said, it was pretty much a feta.
Speaker B:Complete pretty early on.
Speaker A:Yes, yes.
Speaker B:But on the men's side, we were treated yet again to the Lionel show and everybody else.
Speaker A:Yes, I had a front row seat for that.
Speaker A:It was a weird group of athletes.
Speaker A:You had, I would say, a lot of maybe more leg power.
Speaker A:Than arm power.
Speaker A:But there was still a few really good swimmers.
Speaker A:So USA's Seth Ryder, Olympian in Paris, Olympic silver medals in the relay, he let out of the water.
Speaker A:I think he had a 32nd gap over Mark Dubrick, who himself is a great swimmer.
Speaker B:So that's a 30 second gap over Matt Sharp, who's a swimmer.
Speaker A:Matt Sharp was.
Speaker A:He was further back.
Speaker B:Even you were fifth place out of the water.
Speaker B:And yeah, we were with a group.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:So I was in a big group.
Speaker A:So this is the thing.
Speaker A:It was seth and then 30 seconds later, Mark Dubrick and then I think we were a minute, almost a minute further back from that.
Speaker A:I think seth was almost 90 seconds ahead, give or take seconds.
Speaker A:But we were in a big group.
Speaker B:Yeah, I just remember you came out in a big group, for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I'll talk about those dynamics actually later, because it's interesting.
Speaker A:A lot of big players in that group.
Speaker A:You had Magnus on our feet.
Speaker A:He was there.
Speaker A:You had Max Newman, who.
Speaker A:You don't know where he's going to come from.
Speaker A:My good friend Kevin McDowell, a little foreshadowing.
Speaker A:He was right there.
Speaker A:It was a solid group.
Speaker A:And then, honestly.
Speaker B:And Magnus Ditlev was in there.
Speaker A:He was there for sure.
Speaker B:He was there.
Speaker B:And when he came out with you guys, I thought, oh, okay, he's setting himself up.
Speaker B:Until only a minute later.
Speaker A:It was a minute later.
Speaker B:It was a minute later that Lionel came out.
Speaker B:And I thought, oh, that's it.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:He's gonna get to work now.
Speaker A:I didn't hear his name in the transition this time, thankfully, but it would have been five miles into the bike if that.
Speaker A:He just came by like a freight train.
Speaker A:And I was like, oh, my God, this is.
Speaker A:This might be it.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because Sam Long hadn't come by.
Speaker A:And I think after Lionel, maybe Sam Long's group that had some.
Speaker A:A few other good athletes, Trevor Foley, Cam Wharf.
Speaker A:I think they were what, another minute back of Lionel.
Speaker B:Yep.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So Lionel within, I would say, like, when did he get himself past Ditlev to the front of the race?
Speaker B:It was pretty quick.
Speaker B:He made up that minute pretty quickly, right?
Speaker B:Yeah, he was up there very quickly.
Speaker A:But then as he passed it, Lev did Magnus flat soon after that?
Speaker B:That I don't know because I wasn't watching on the telecast.
Speaker B:But I do know that he did have a flat and that cost him.
Speaker B:Yeah, he didn't have the chance to ride there too.
Speaker A:Yes, for sure, for sure.
Speaker A:And there was.
Speaker A:There was a changing nature of it.
Speaker A:You had BURTWISTLE you had McDowell up there.
Speaker A:And then as the bike went along, like Lionel was still out in front.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Solo the whole time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Halfway through the bike line at 25 miles, Lionel's in first and then he just builds his lead.
Speaker A:He had some interesting dynamics with his group.
Speaker A:It sounded like he had Cam Worf with him and he was doing the lion share the work up front.
Speaker A:But Cam would come up ahead of him on the hills so that it would slow Sam down on the downhills.
Speaker A:He was complaining about that afterwards.
Speaker A:So a bit of pack dynamics going on there.
Speaker A:But I think Sam, in the end he might have dropped those guys and came in a transition on his own.
Speaker A:I believe he was solo off the bike, ready to chase down Lionel.
Speaker B:Okay, so at that point he.
Speaker B:Lionel opened up a little bit because he had a course record run.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:But it was the, it was set at that point.
Speaker B:It was Lionel.
Speaker B:Oh, that was who I didn't know.
Speaker B:I didn't know the third place man.
Speaker A:Ah, okay.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's who I didn't know.
Speaker B:That's whose name I didn't know.
Speaker B:But it was Lionel and Sam for a second.
Speaker B:And our eventual third place finisher, Colin.
Speaker A:Colin Souk Soup.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's whose name I didn't recognize.
Speaker A:He had a phenomenal race.
Speaker A:I think he was even further back maybe than Sam out of the water and rode his way up and had a really great run too.
Speaker A:He was battling a little bit with my friend Kevin McDowell who ended up on the other side in fourth who had a kind of a breakthrough race himself.
Speaker A:It was a little bit broken up.
Speaker A:Maybe not as many packs, but that's the nature of that course.
Speaker A:It would.
Speaker A:It.
Speaker A:It rewards the cyclist for sure.
Speaker B:Yes, it does.
Speaker B:So let's shift gears just from the overall race to your own experience because it's not going to be that often we're going to get to hear about an actual professional racing in these races.
Speaker B:So I really want to hear.
Speaker A:I had a front row seat, but.
Speaker B:Not just your front row seat.
Speaker B:Not just your front row seat, but also just each of the disciplines.
Speaker B:First of all, how was the personal Porta Potty experience?
Speaker B:Did it live up to what we all imagine?
Speaker A:Yeah, it's definitely a perk for sure.
Speaker A:I cannot deny that.
Speaker A:Yeah, they do a good job.
Speaker A:Ironman with that, with the pros.
Speaker A:I guess that's maybe motivation to.
Speaker A:To race the pro race.
Speaker A:I don't know.
Speaker A:There's probably other more meaningful motivations.
Speaker B:And is St.
Speaker B:George one of those places you could show up race morning with your bike as a pro or do you have to check it in the day before?
Speaker A:You have to check it in the day before.
Speaker A:I don't think they're doing that anymore for pros.
Speaker A:I think everybody's got to come.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker A:The night before, which is so weird for me, coming from my background with short course.
Speaker A:That was never a thing.
Speaker A:But yeah, actually, funnily enough, I think it was Mark Dubrick who showed up transition race morning with.
Speaker A:And he came to his bike and he had two flats.
Speaker A:He had a double flat.
Speaker A:I think he was able to get it pumped up and it was fine in the end.
Speaker A:That's what.
Speaker A:I just don't love that about leaving the bike the night before.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Because you can just.
Speaker A:You just don't know where you're gonna show up and what's going to go down.
Speaker A:And transition.
Speaker B:Matt.
Speaker B:Matt.
Speaker B:Welcome to our world.
Speaker A:Yes, I'm here now anyways.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:Okay, so tell us about the swim.
Speaker B:You're ready to go.
Speaker B:The sun is coming up over the red rocks there facing you.
Speaker B:And so what's.
Speaker B:What are you thinking at that point?
Speaker A:I'll back up a little bit.
Speaker A:Maybe just even the weeks before the race, because I came in doing a little bit of panic training.
Speaker A:And probably the biggest learning, which I already knew going into this was just like, hey, especially for a race like St.
Speaker A:George, panic training, unless you're a savant on the bike, is not going to do the job.
Speaker A:I was thoroughly exposed out there, but at least at the end of the day, I was able to race because the day before the race, I'd been having some, like, seat post slippage issues.
Speaker A:C clamp slippage.
Speaker A:And before the race I was like, okay, I need to tighten this thing down because I don't want it slipping on that bike or whatever.
Speaker A:And the day before the race, I was torquing it down and it.
Speaker A:The seat clamp on my bike snapped.
Speaker A:This is the morning before the race.
Speaker A:Just.
Speaker A:You don't need that.
Speaker A:You don't need that before a race.
Speaker A:But I've been in these situations before just with issues pre race, literally right up until the race.
Speaker A:And I was able to, because I'd had those experiences just stepping outside of it and try and think as rationally as possible, not go to too bad of a place.
Speaker A:And luckily, Mark Dubrick, another pro athlete, happened to have the seat post and then the clamp that I needed.
Speaker A:He had a spare one because he had just driven up from Tucson.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And I wasn't even sure I didn't know if he had it.
Speaker A:I just reached out, I was like, hey, dude, like, need your help.
Speaker A:Do you have blah, blah, blah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Did you know he's on the same bike?
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:I was just.
Speaker B:Props to Mark.
Speaker B:Mark Dubreck to the rescue.
Speaker B:Big.
Speaker A:And this is the thing.
Speaker A:At the end of the day, let's say he didn't have his bike or he hadn't driven with everything that he owned up to the race, like, I would have been screwed because a lot of these high end bike parts, like, they're not easy to find.
Speaker A:They're not carried by bike shops everywhere.
Speaker B:Yeah, no.
Speaker B:I had this problem last year in Richmond.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:I broke the.
Speaker B:I was reassembling my bike and I broke the bolt that holds the headset.
Speaker B:Oh, into the force.
Speaker B:Yeah, one of those expansion bolts.
Speaker B:And it's a very specific expansion bolt for my bike.
Speaker B:And I was panicking and they just happened to have one.
Speaker B:I was like, oh, my gosh, how do you have one?
Speaker B:But thank goodness they did and I was saved.
Speaker B:But yes, I know that it's a terrible feeling because that's the problem with these high end bikes.
Speaker B:I hate disassembling and reassembling my bike.
Speaker B:Not because I don't know how to do it or because of anything, because it's just there's more opportunities for these things to happen, something to break.
Speaker A:And if anyone listening has had any kind of crazy stories like this.
Speaker A:Throw it in.
Speaker B:Throw them in the comments.
Speaker A:Yeah, throw them in the comments.
Speaker A:Throw them in our top talk, tempo talks Facebook group, because we want to hear them.
Speaker A:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker A:So, yes, pre race, as you set the stage, I was standing on the start line and it was beautiful.
Speaker A:Like, I like, it was a spectacular sunrise over the Sand Hollow park there.
Speaker A:The water, like, it was.
Speaker A:So I was on the start line and I'm like, hey, I don't.
Speaker A:I wasn't feeling super snappy before the race.
Speaker A:Really.
Speaker A:It wasn't like I was feeling a plus, a bit of the stress the day before.
Speaker A:I wasn't feeling 100%, but at the end of the day, because of Mark, I was able to race.
Speaker A:And so I tried to just put myself in that headspace.
Speaker A:Hey, you're here.
Speaker A:You get to race.
Speaker A:You get to see what you can put out on the day.
Speaker A:Because otherwise it would have been a mystery.
Speaker A:Who knows?
Speaker A:Standing on the start line, I was like, okay, we're getting into this headspace.
Speaker A:And I had a pretty good start in the swim.
Speaker A:They'd actually expanded it so it wasn't as tight as it usually is for the pros, which was great.
Speaker A:More people lined up together and I started off, had some pretty clear water right away and I saw that I believe it was Seth and Mark Dubrick were to my right and I tried to make my way over to them.
Speaker A:They're both great swimmers, so if you're moving over, you're probably going to lose a little bit of space to them.
Speaker A:And I believe another athlete, Matt McElroy, he got on Mark's feet.
Speaker A:And so when I came over, I was just off Matt's hip and I was kind of like, okay, he seems to be on the feet here of Mark.
Speaker A:I'm just going to go back and go on Matt's feet.
Speaker A:And that was a, that was a mistake because I know Matt from years of short course racing and actually he's not the best swimmer on, on the start line and acquiescing that lead or not fighting for those feet ended up, I think, costing me maybe being on Mark's feet or something for the swim instead of in the group that I was because I settled in on Matt's feet, recovered a little bit and did a site a couple sites and I was like, matt, I think we're here.
Speaker A:I think he's still on the feet.
Speaker A:And then all of a sudden, because of the sunlight too in the eyes, I could just see the gap was opening up.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And I ended up just doing a massive surge to get around Matt and it's not easy to get around people because they'll jump on you or whatever and we'll talk about that in a bit.
Speaker A:But I got, I think, I believe I did get on Mark's feed.
Speaker A:I was right there.
Speaker A:But that effort, especially after doing a big start effort, like I blew, I just, I totally blew.
Speaker A:And I couldn't stay on his feet and I started falling back.
Speaker B:I think it's amazing that you can be so conscious of what's going on in the swim, who's around you, where you are.
Speaker B:I find now obviously not being from a swimming background, not being anywhere close to the kind of swimmer you are, I just find when I'm in the swim, I mean, I'm only starting with five people.
Speaker B:There's just five of us.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:And we run into the water and I'm like, I don't have a clue what's going on.
Speaker B:I just trying desperately to stay in a straight line and get to the next and.
Speaker B:And this whole idea of, oh, like I have actually started with friends and oh, Nice.
Speaker B:Okay, let's try to start together.
Speaker B:Let's swim together.
Speaker B:And it's like, within two strokes, I'm like, where did they go?
Speaker B:I have no idea.
Speaker A:Oh, I've dropped them, of course.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker B:I think it's.
Speaker B:And I'd be curious.
Speaker B:And this is something else that I'd love to hear from people because I have a friend who used to race Ironmans, and they.
Speaker B:He showed up in Kona and they all had this group and they all worked together.
Speaker B:They said, we're going to form a pod and we're going to stick together and swim together and protect each other.
Speaker B:And they, for the most part, they were able to do it.
Speaker B:They managed to do it.
Speaker B:And I'm like, I don't know how you manage this.
Speaker B:I can barely.
Speaker B:I can't swim with people.
Speaker B:I can, because I can't recognize who's who.
Speaker B:Everybody looks the same.
Speaker B:It's just a big mess.
Speaker A:When you're with that pro field, it's a totally different situation because you know how many people in the start line.
Speaker A:I race against these people.
Speaker A:I know their strokes.
Speaker A:They're.
Speaker A:I know what wetsuits they're wearing.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker B:That's pretty.
Speaker A:For sure.
Speaker A:After I had got dropped from Mark, and he's a great swimmer as well, so he was pushing it, I basically.
Speaker A:I knew it was going to be a long day.
Speaker A:So once I lost the feet and I knew I had people on my feet, I was just like, man, I am not going to pull these guys around for them to just absolutely dust me on the bike.
Speaker A:So I just flipped over and did backstroke.
Speaker B:No, you did not.
Speaker A:Yeah, I've done this.
Speaker B:Really.
Speaker A:I flipped over on my back, did some backstroke.
Speaker A:I let, I think two people go ahead of me, Kevin McDowell and Matt McElroy, and then I just slotted in on the feet.
Speaker A:I think I bumped Magnus out of the way, but he would know that I'm there, so he's.
Speaker A:He knows I'm not going to lose the feet.
Speaker A:But then obviously, because of that, does.
Speaker B:That allow you to recover?
Speaker A:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:And so you're on the feet and we'll talk about the drafting and whatnot.
Speaker A:It's just so much easier when you're following feet.
Speaker A:There was really.
Speaker A:Because of those two guys were away, there really wasn't much swim firepower in our group after that.
Speaker A:That is none.
Speaker B:There's no swim firepower.
Speaker B:Okay, okay.
Speaker A:Not like the two boys up front.
Speaker B:Okay, fine.
Speaker B:But I just want to point out to everybody who's listening?
Speaker B:That Matt did backstroke for, I don't know, a couple of strokes or whatever.
Speaker A:Did it again in the swim, too.
Speaker B:And then we'll get to that and then.
Speaker B: get away and only manage day: Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:I just want to highlight the dynamics, the race dynamics.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Because in a lot of ways, we're not racing for splits or times so much as just places.
Speaker A:So when those guys were gone, no one really wanted to go to the front and really push the pace I sat in for.
Speaker B:Magnus has got to be thinking.
Speaker B:Magnus has got to be thinking.
Speaker B:I've got to get away from Lionel.
Speaker B:Magnus is a great cyclist, but he's not Lionel.
Speaker A:But I think maybe that swim was right where he felt comfortable being.
Speaker A:He didn't feel like he needed to go to the front and push.
Speaker A:Like he thought he's probably saw me and was like, whoa, I'm crushing it.
Speaker A:When in actual fact, he was having a normal swim, probably.
Speaker B:And what about my guy, Matthew?
Speaker B:He's got a sensational swim background.
Speaker A:Yeah, he cramped, I think.
Speaker B:Again.
Speaker B:Again.
Speaker A:Yes, there was a little bit more.
Speaker A:Not as much as last time.
Speaker B: He cramped and only managed: Speaker A:Yeah, he still beat me with those cramps.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:But, yeah, he was fine.
Speaker A:So we through that swim, like, I was sitting on the feet, and I knew I could have pushed more, but I also knew again, I had a long day on the bike in the run ahead of me.
Speaker A:I didn't want to burn too many matches, so I sat in.
Speaker A:And then on the way back, there was a point in time where whoever was leading wasn't sighting very well.
Speaker A:And so I just moved over into some clear water and tried to push the pace a little bit.
Speaker A:Picked up the pace, and then again, I think I swam in the front for maybe 300 meters, and then I just flipped over my back into backstroke, and I said, hey, I'm gonna just relax into T1 because I know I need to be ready to go.
Speaker B:That's fascinating to me.
Speaker A:This is the racing dynamics that are.
Speaker A:I think maybe not every pro thinks about this, but for me, this is natural to me because I love to race.
Speaker A:And I feel like I know for a fact Seth said that he regretted swimming as hard as he did.
Speaker B:Well, you're not gonna.
Speaker B:You're not gonna gain as much on the swim.
Speaker B:Even though you are one of the strongest swimmers out there in the totality of the race, you're not going to Gain as much on the swim as you will lose by putting in the effort to gain a minute or so.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:And so coming out of that swim, I actually felt quite good overall.
Speaker A:And so I really pushed the transition.
Speaker A:Like, I sprinted pretty hard through T1, got my gear on quickly, got my bike out quickly.
Speaker A:I think I.
Speaker A:Of my group, I think I was first or second to mount the bike.
Speaker A:So in.
Speaker A:In a good position that way, people had to go around me.
Speaker B:That's really fascinating.
Speaker B:So I'm going to pay more attention when I watch the pros.
Speaker B:It's hard for us to see because.
Speaker A:The coverage isn't that great.
Speaker B:When I'm at a race, we're watching the pros.
Speaker B:And yeah, you're right.
Speaker B:If it's the coverage, you're only seeing the first two or three, and that's it.
Speaker B:But it is interesting to think about that.
Speaker B:What's going on in that middle sort of pack area that people are turning over.
Speaker B:And it's really interesting.
Speaker B:Fascinating.
Speaker A:I'll tell you this.
Speaker A:Like, I believe that my decision not to push actually had an impact on the race because our group.
Speaker A:I think that's why Lionel was so much closer to our group, because whoever was leading him was obviously pushing hard to try and.
Speaker B:Yeah, stay.
Speaker B:Got you front.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:But then we just had no urgent.
Speaker A:There was no urgency in our group, really.
Speaker A:So that changed the dynamic of the race, and I think that helped him a bunch for sure.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:We've spoken a lot about the swim, which is supposed to be the shortest part of the race.
Speaker B:Get to the.
Speaker A:It was the most exciting part of my race.
Speaker A:Onto the bike.
Speaker A:These guys, they were flying.
Speaker A:I was trying to ride within myself, and I was riding pretty solid effort, solid power for the most part.
Speaker A:Just was getting shelled a little bit, but then found, I guess, when, like, the Sam Long group went by, I was able to work my way in there a little bit on one of the big downhills.
Speaker B:Now, when you say work your way into a group, you're not drafting.
Speaker A:No, but you're.
Speaker A:You've got the race ranger.
Speaker A:You're looking at the lights.
Speaker A:You're making sure you're.
Speaker A:Whatever.
Speaker B:You're just using them to pace you.
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:But I think one of the.
Speaker A:Either the second or third hill on the course after that, it was.
Speaker A:Must have been 30k or so in.
Speaker A:So not very far into the race, I had some cramping on my left hamstring.
Speaker A:And I don't know what it is.
Speaker A:Maybe different for some people, but whenever I'M cramping on the bike.
Speaker A:It's because my.
Speaker A:The effort's too high or I'm gone beyond my capability.
Speaker B:That's what it is for most people.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:So that was a tough moment, especially that early in the race, and I had to dial things back.
Speaker A:It just didn't have the power.
Speaker A:And you're going along and you're kind of like, oh, man.
Speaker A:Like, this isn't really a great day.
Speaker A:I did try to just every hill or something, try and reassess, refocus, try and just stay as aero as possible.
Speaker A:Then we had an.
Speaker A:I had another group come by before that Snow Canyon climb, and I was tucked in there.
Speaker A:And, you know, when you're racing, sometimes if you go up the hills or something, you'll bunch up a little bit, and I think that's what happened to me.
Speaker A:And so the light flash red, and then whoever the official was like, boom, penalty.
Speaker A:Because I didn't try and pass the second.
Speaker A:The light flash.
Speaker B:So they're on you for the hills?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, they.
Speaker A:This one official was very on it.
Speaker A:I've definitely had situations where it's flash red in the past and you just sit up and.
Speaker B:Sorry, did I misunderstand?
Speaker B:They got you as you were going up Snow Canyon?
Speaker A:No, this is before.
Speaker A:This is before.
Speaker B:Oh, before.
Speaker B:Oh, yeah.
Speaker A:So then, boom, got a penalty.
Speaker A:So day wasn't going so great.
Speaker A:And then we got a penalty just before Snow Canyon pulled off.
Speaker A:Took the two minutes there, which is actually nice because, again, I wasn't feeling that great.
Speaker A:So I just tried to refocus there and did my best up Snow Canyon.
Speaker B:Did you enjoy it?
Speaker A:I did, yes.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And descent.
Speaker B:Did you enjoy the descent?
Speaker A:Yeah, the descent was okay.
Speaker A:It was a solid.
Speaker A:We had a bit of a headwind going into it, so that wasn't as much fun.
Speaker A:But still got up to 90k an hour on descent.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So 50.
Speaker B:It's about 50 plus an hour.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So that was.
Speaker A:We were screaming down for sure onto the run.
Speaker A:I'm not in a position where I'd typically be in the race, so again, you just try and refocus onto the run.
Speaker A:Legs were heavy.
Speaker A:The bike clearly took it out of me.
Speaker A:Also had some gut issues, so I had to make a quick pit stop.
Speaker B:Really?
Speaker B:You really had it all going on?
Speaker B:I truly did, and I truly did and managed.
Speaker B:What was your overall time?
Speaker A:I think I was like 28 or something, which were.
Speaker B:But what was your time?
Speaker B:It was 4.
Speaker B:404.
Speaker B:404?
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:404 or something which.
Speaker B:Because the guys.
Speaker B:The men were.
Speaker B:Despite being 20, Lionel won at 3:37, I think.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:Which is insane for that course.
Speaker B:And you're not.
Speaker B:404 is a very fast time on that course.
Speaker B:And I.
Speaker A:It was what I had on the day and the penalty didn't help this.
Speaker A:Also my seat angle was angled up.
Speaker B:More so than all of that celebrating Mark.
Speaker B:I shouldn't have been so fast.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it was.
Speaker A:There was a few factors at play, but definitely no.
Speaker A:You.
Speaker B:You are highlighting the kinds of things that I try to tell my athletes all the time, which is you take what the day gives you, you adapt and you move forward.
Speaker B:And it's a learning experience because it shows that clearly, despite all of the panic training, you still managed a pretty darn reasonable time.
Speaker B:28th out of the 65 men who started.
Speaker B:And it's not a very respectable result for sure.
Speaker A:I think for me, even on my best day, that kind of course with the hills, I'm not.
Speaker A:I've never been a notorious hill climber.
Speaker A:So even if I was at my best, it still would have been a hard day.
Speaker A:But definitely compounded when the fitness wasn't quite there.
Speaker A:Overall, you just.
Speaker A:I think the key learning for me really definitely being prepared for those demands.
Speaker A:I don't know if I was fully prepared for them, but that's fine.
Speaker A:And just maybe the panic training wasn't exactly to do the job.
Speaker B:I'm not looking forward to my experience in Boulder.
Speaker B:You've gone familiar course.
Speaker A:I think that helps a lot too.
Speaker B:Is that your next event, Boulder?
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:We will be there.
Speaker A:We will be towing the line together.
Speaker B:Maybe I'll sneak into the pro area to.
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker B:I'll get you in Porta Potty.
Speaker A:I'll get you a wristband.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:We want to finish up today.
Speaker B:Talk about something that we alluded to at the when you were discussing your experience in St.
Speaker B:George, and that's drafting on the swim.
Speaker B:Drafting on the swim is the one place where you could do it.
Speaker B:You can draft on the run, but drafting on the swim is the one place where you can really get a huge advantage.
Speaker B:It's been shown that as much as 20% of your effort can be decreased by getting on somebody who swims slightly faster than you.
Speaker B:You can gain not only in decreased energy usage, but also increased speed.
Speaker B:And it's just a phenomenal way to have a great start to a triathlon.
Speaker B:The only problem is, I could tell you, as I mentioned before, as an A, I've been at this for 20 years.
Speaker B:It's really hard to do.
Speaker B:Matt, what are your tips and tricks to do this?
Speaker A:Definitely.
Speaker A:I've been doing the.
Speaker A:This thing for a while, the drafting and the swim, so it's almost like second nature to me.
Speaker A:But I'll say when I feel like I'm getting on the feet or I'm on the feet, I'll actually go up and hit someone's feet.
Speaker A:Not, like, aggressive.
Speaker B:My God, that drives me.
Speaker A:I know.
Speaker A:But a little touch every once in a while is okay because you really want to ensure that you're as close as possible.
Speaker A:I think if you're throwing off someone's rhythm in front of you, we all know we get frustrated by that in that maybe we'll slow things down anyways.
Speaker A:But every once in a while, a little tap on the feet, I think it's okay.
Speaker A:I think people understand that's how close.
Speaker B:You want to be.
Speaker B:You really want.
Speaker A:You want to be.
Speaker A:You want to be as close as possible because, say, you lapse for a second, you just won't fall as far out of the slipstream.
Speaker B:Okay, so here.
Speaker B:Here are the classic sort of age group dilemmas that I think, yes, we.
Speaker B:A lot of us.
Speaker B:I'm going to speak for myself, but I presume that I'm speaking for a lot of us.
Speaker B:Number one, how do you find the right feet?
Speaker B:Number two, often when you do find the right feet, it feels like you're just not swimming hard enough because you're getting this energy savings.
Speaker B:So how do you know that you're really on somebody who's swimming faster or.
Speaker B:Because I know.
Speaker B:I was in Kona where I actually found some feet, and I was like, oh, my gosh, this is great.
Speaker B:I'm actually drafting on someone.
Speaker B:But I got impatient because I felt like I am just not pulling hard enough.
Speaker B:I bet I could go faster on my own.
Speaker B:And I got out, and in the end, of course, it.
Speaker B:I don't think I was faster, so.
Speaker B:Yeah, so.
Speaker B:So number one, how do you find the right person?
Speaker B:Number two, how do you just keep telling yourself, no, it's okay.
Speaker B:I'm going the speed I want to be going.
Speaker B:Because it's not like you can look at your watch.
Speaker A:Yeah, for sure.
Speaker A:I feel like in those situations where I've been, like, unsure about the quality of the feet, you feel like, oh, this maybe feels a little bit slower.
Speaker A:The effort you're feeling just doesn't feel that great.
Speaker A:I'll move out of the draft and maybe make a little bit of a move.
Speaker A:But if it feels like that is if I'm not able.
Speaker A:Gonna be able to sustain that, or I know that by the time I'm gonna get to the end of the swim, like, I'm gonna be pretty gassed, then I think it's just worth it to.
Speaker A:To go back on the feet.
Speaker A:And sometimes you have people coming up from behind, especially with those starts that you guys have in the age group races, like, you can leapfrog from feet to feet.
Speaker A:There's no.
Speaker A:You don't need to stick with your original feet.
Speaker B:And that's what I've ended up doing is as someone passes me, I'll jump on, I'll hang on as long as I can, and then once they get away from me, I'll just look for the next person and try and.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker B:And invariably what ends up happening to me is either I am passing people who are too slow or the people who go by me are too fast for me to hang on.
Speaker B:Ends up being.
Speaker B:Although I'll still.
Speaker B:I'll hang on as long as I can.
Speaker B:Sometimes I can hang on for a little bit, but it's very rare that, like, I'm not going to catch up to somebody who's swimming just faster than I am, because it's not for sure, for sure.
Speaker B:And the person who's swimming just faster than I am, who's coming from behind, it's unlikely that they're going to pass me in a timely enough fashion that I'm going to benefit from jumping onto them.
Speaker B:So it is a dilemma for us, but I don't disagree at all.
Speaker B:I think it's something everybody should try to do.
Speaker B:And I think the most advantageous thing for us is that leapfrogging, because there's always people coming from behind who are faster.
Speaker B:And I just take advantage of that.
Speaker B:Even if it's just for a few strokes to get in their wake.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And I think if you're swimming and you are able to be pretty aware of what's going on around you, like seeing other athletes come by, then that's probably a sign that you're in a good place to maybe jump on those feet that are coming by.
Speaker A:But if you're just.
Speaker A:If you're on the feet and you don't even know what's going on around you, you're just locked in there.
Speaker A:Like, you're not going to want to move from that situation.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker B:There's one other thing you mentioned earlier, and it's happened to me a couple of times, and you said you were on somebody's feet in St.
Speaker B:George where they weren't citing properly.
Speaker B:And one of the things that's happened to me is when I'm drafting on someone and I feel like I'm getting a good draft, I am hesitant to cite because I want.
Speaker B:I don't want to lose them.
Speaker B:So how often will you cite when you're drafting someone?
Speaker B:How often will you check to make sure that they're going.
Speaker B:They're not leading you astray?
Speaker A:I feel like maybe I cite a lot because I just like to know what's going on.
Speaker A:Like, when I'm not on someone's feet and I'm swimming, I'll probably cite every four stroke cycles or four breaths, which is a lot.
Speaker A:I think maybe when I'm on the feet, I'll bump that up to every six cycles.
Speaker A:Like, really, I like to know where we're at, how are we doing with our line?
Speaker A:If they're off a little bit and I'm on the feed and I feel like this is the right place to be.
Speaker A:Like, I won't try and go swim a little bit better of a line because the draft is especially in that swim is just so beneficial.
Speaker A:It's the best draft.
Speaker A:You're gonna.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:Any final tips on the draft?
Speaker A:Do you tell your athletes or talk to your athletes about swimming on the hip at all?
Speaker B:I've talked about that in terms of that's a great way to get a draft, but also to slow the person down.
Speaker A:It's.
Speaker A:It's not a great way to make friends.
Speaker B:No, it's not a great way to make friends, but I don't know that.
Speaker B:Age groupers know that.
Speaker B:Like, pros know that.
Speaker B:Age groupers probably don't.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker B:And in the pro ranks, I could see how it could be a strategy and an age group rank where you don't know if that person is in your age group or not.
Speaker B:I don't know the benefit of doing it now.
Speaker B:I am also not sure I understand the physics.
Speaker B:I've spoken to Lance about it.
Speaker B:He didn't quite explain it to me in a way that really made a whole lot of sense to me, why it makes you faster and that person slower.
Speaker B:But whatever.
Speaker A:If Coach Lance can't explain it, then I don't know if I can.
Speaker A:But I would say the principle is, like, being, if you're on the feet, like, great, you're getting a great draft.
Speaker A:If you're on the hip, it's also a great spot to draft.
Speaker A:I think it's.
Speaker A:I've heard it's better.
Speaker A:Like, it's easier even for the person who's drafting and staggered wise.
Speaker A:I want to say your shoulders are just off the person's hip.
Speaker A:And the principle is it's like you're sitting in the wake of a boat or you're surfing like a wave.
Speaker A:Is this how he's explained it?
Speaker B:No, I hadn't heard that.
Speaker B:But that's interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So it's.
Speaker A:I think it's even better place, but.
Speaker B:I don't know why it slows them down.
Speaker A:I don't necessarily know why either.
Speaker A:I think it's something to do with the pull on that side.
Speaker A:Again, I'm not a hydro.
Speaker B:Hydro.
Speaker B:Yeah, hydrodynamic something.
Speaker A:Hydrodynamic expert.
Speaker A:But I know from experience that sitting on the hip, it's a.
Speaker A:It's something you don't want to rely on too much because it will slow down the person who is who you're on their hip.
Speaker A:But I'll tell you, I've used that move to leapfrog from someone's hip into someone's feet.
Speaker A:Who's coming by me?
Speaker A:Oh, I don't know.
Speaker A:Maybe if you don't like the person whose hip you're on, it doesn't feel as good.
Speaker B:Well, if I show up to a race and Brian is there, he's a better swimmer than I am.
Speaker A:Nice.
Speaker A:Get on Brian's head.
Speaker B:He's beaten me most races.
Speaker B:I've beaten him a couple of times and I think I have to take every advantage I can.
Speaker B:So I'll have to mark him at the start and see if I can't get on his hip.
Speaker B:So he'll know.
Speaker A:Perfect.
Speaker A:I would just say mostly want to be on the feet, but if you're in a situation where maybe someone's coming up beside you and maybe you jump on their hip for a little bit, it'll slow them down, you'll get a little breather, and then maybe because of that, you'll be able to stay on their feet when they eventually keep going.
Speaker A:So energy management.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker B:That was a great conversation.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:Super helpful.
Speaker B:I know.
Speaker B:Helpful for me.
Speaker B:I can only imagine for anybody else who's listening, who's not a pro like Matt.
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Speaker A:We'll see if I think what we learned.
Speaker A:What I learned reinforced from this race was if you can be on the start line and you're healthy, it's a good day.
Speaker A:No matter.
Speaker A:Yeah.
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Speaker B:Answer the three easy questions, we'll gain you admittance and you can join the conversation there.
Speaker B:We'd love to hear your story about any kind of misadventures you might have had with your bike while traveling to a race.
Speaker B:Until next week, take care.
