Ironman South Africa Recap and T100 Singapore/Oceanside 70.3 Preview
We delve into the recent Ironman South Africa event, providing a detailed recap of the performances and highlighting key athletes who have emerged as frontrunners in the Ironman Pro Series. Furthermore, we offer a preview of the highly anticipated Oceanside 70.3 race and the T100 Singapore, discussing the depth of the competitive fields and the dynamics that may unfold during the events. In addition, we explore the benefits of active recovery, emphasizing its importance for optimizing performance and enhancing recovery in triathletes. This episode serves as an informative source for both novice and experienced athletes alike, offering insights into the latest in triathlon news and training strategies.
Takeaways:
- The Ironman South Africa race showcased Magnus Ditlev's strong performance, establishing him as a formidable contender in the pro series.
- The upcoming Oceanside 70.3 race features a highly competitive field, with Tamara Jewett and Paula Findlay set to battle for victory.
- The dynamic of the Oceanside race is expected to be influenced by the presence of numerous short course athletes transitioning to long course triathlon.
- The T100 race in Singapore will present a unique opportunity for athletes to compete alongside some of the best triathletes globally, despite Taylor Knibb's absence.
- Active recovery is essential for athletes, as it promotes blood flow and helps in reducing muscle stiffness after intense training sessions.
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Transcript
What would happen if you brought together a professional triathlete and producer of one of the most widely read triathlon newsletters.
Speaker B:Together with the tridoc medical contributor for Triathlete magazine, age group winner and coach at LifeSport coaching.
Speaker A:Let's say you had the makings of a pretty good podcast.
Speaker B:Welcome to Tempo Talks.
Speaker B:Two perspectives, one sport.
Speaker B:All things triathlon.
Speaker A:Hey everyone, it's great to have you back for another episode of Tempo Talks.
Speaker A:Matt, how's it going?
Speaker B:Good, good.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:We were talking a little bit before started the pod here and I'm in the spare room right now.
Speaker B:My house is total chaos from all this packing because Kirsten and I are heading back out east to, to Florida for a bit of a local race actually, which would be fun, but yeah, chaos right now at the house.
Speaker B:I am.
Speaker A:Mine too.
Speaker A:Mine too.
Speaker A:I have a lot less to pack, but I'm going for a super fun.
Speaker A:Yeah, a little bit more than that.
Speaker A:But the reason I have less to pack is only because we are severely restricted on how much weight we' for the flights that we have in.
Speaker A:My wife and I are going to Indonesia.
Speaker B:Where are you going?
Speaker A:Yeah, we're flying into Bali, which is where we honeymooned 25 years ago.
Speaker A:So we're doing for our 25th anniversary.
Speaker A:And then we are flying within Indonesia to go on a liveaboard dive trip.
Speaker A:So diving my other passion next to triathlon.
Speaker A:And I'm pretty excited.
Speaker A:We're going to be eight days on a liveaboard in the far eastern ocean.
Speaker A:It's called the Forgotten Islands.
Speaker A:Fortunately, somebody has remembered them because apparently the diving's pretty awesome.
Speaker A:But anyway, so to do that, we're a little bit restricted in how much we could bring.
Speaker A:It's a little bit of chaos just getting whittling down, keep continually weighing the bags and going, damn it, too much stuff.
Speaker B:But yes, it's hot there, so you don't need too many clothes, I'm guessing.
Speaker B:I'm guessing.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:But we're in similar situations in terms of the packing chaos.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm very intrigued about this live aboard boat situation.
Speaker B:I kind of want to hear about that.
Speaker A:Oh, this is a pretty cool.
Speaker A:If you're a diver, you have to.
Speaker A:Honestly, you don't want to do this if you're not a scuba diver, but there are boats that are built specifically for this and then we will dive like four times a day.
Speaker A:And the thing about these dive boats is that they cater, literally cater because all you do is dive and eat for the entire time.
Speaker B:It's like a training camp.
Speaker B:Diving.
Speaker A:Phenomenal.
Speaker A:Phenomenal.
Speaker A:We did.
Speaker A:The last time we did one, we were in the Galapagos and we had a phenomenal trip in the Galapagos.
Speaker A:A whole family went this time.
Speaker A:It's just my wife and I were meeting up with some friends and doing this and because it's Indonesia, the food is going to be spectacular.
Speaker A:So we're pretty excited.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:Awesome.
Speaker B:And we may be doing a podcast from there, but tbd, I don't, I don't want to intrude on your amazing.
Speaker A:Well, we can't let Oceanside and the T100 go by without reporting on it.
Speaker B:For sure.
Speaker A:We'll figure something out.
Speaker A:But we have a podcast for today.
Speaker A:Before we banter too much more, we should tell you what our topic list is.
Speaker A:We are going to begin with a recap of the very exciting Ironman South Africa that took place last weekend and then we are going to preview a huge professional weekend.
Speaker A:We have talked about it a lot over the last few episodes and it's finally here.
Speaker A:So we have the debut of The North American 70.3 race series with Oceanside 70.3.
Speaker A:Very exciting and very deep field show going up in Oceanside, California.
Speaker A:And at the same time, the T100 will be taking place in Singapore.
Speaker A:And I'm going to be in Singapore at the same time that the race is taking place.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:But I will be in the airport and therefore will not be able.
Speaker B:No boots on the ground.
Speaker A:No boots on the ground.
Speaker A:Won't be able to get any race side interviews, alas.
Speaker A:But I will try and see if I can't get a picture from the window or something.
Speaker A:We'll figure something out.
Speaker B:Perfect.
Speaker B:Perfect.
Speaker A:After that, we are going to finish up with a talk about the benefits of active recovery.
Speaker A:If you subscribe to the Tempo News.
Speaker A:What's that?
Speaker A:You don't.
Speaker A:What are you thinking?
Speaker A:If you do though, then you would have seen an article that Matt included on the benefits of active recovery.
Speaker A:We're going to expand on that a little bit here.
Speaker A:But before we get to the Ironman South Africa discussion, we have to first visit the penalty tent for our customary.
Speaker A:We're going back.
Speaker A:We have a.
Speaker A:Not really a blue card this time.
Speaker A:It's more of a yellow card.
Speaker A:Last time Matt was talking about Hayden Wild's predicted time at 70.3 worlds.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:You were predicting his run split at 101.
Speaker A:Hayden was not quite so bold in his prediction.
Speaker A:He predicted a much more pedestrian 105.
Speaker B:Wow.
Speaker B:Does he not believe in himself?
Speaker A:I seriously we're gonna one day, if we are so fortunate to have him as a guest, we'll have to ask him why did he undercut his own abilities.
Speaker A:So that's our visit to the penalty tent.
Speaker A:We've dispensed with that.
Speaker A:It's time to recap Ironman South Africa.
Speaker A:I will tell you, Matt, I did not see it.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:What I did see of it was that fantastic little video clip of YouTube stopping out to help one of the pro women.
Speaker A:But tell us what went down.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Elizabeth Port.
Speaker B:Elizabeth, Port Elizabeth, South Africa.
Speaker B:This was the first full distance race of the Iron Man Pro Series.
Speaker B:And maybe not nothing too crazy from the race itself.
Speaker B:Magnus Ditlev, the guy who was second in Kona last year, he's tipped as most likely or very likely to win the pro series this year.
Speaker B:He had a very solid all round performance.
Speaker B:I think he swam like a few minutes back at the leaders and then ripped the bike and then had a very solid run.
Speaker B:So he took the win fairly convincingly in the men's race and now he's the leader of the pro series by default because of so many points on the line.
Speaker B:And then Ann Reichman from Germany was able to just steadily make her way through the field on the race.
Speaker B:It wasn't really any fireworks or anything like that, but yeah, she just put in a rock solid performance and she's someone who I feel like last year she was really coming onto the scene a bit more.
Speaker B:And with this win, I think it just puts her in the driver's seat.
Speaker B:When you get an early result like this in the pro series, you put that in your pocket and you can relax a little bit through the year.
Speaker B:Which often when these athletes, these pro athletes are relaxed and in a relaxed state, they're going to perform better.
Speaker B:So I can see this one kind of catapulting her maybe to an even better result in the overall pro series this year for sure.
Speaker A:Give us a sense, Matt, I know that the points are.
Speaker A:Is it double the points for the Ironman?
Speaker B:Yeah, the 70 point threes are worth 2,500.
Speaker B:And then every second an athlete is behind it minuses one point from that.
Speaker B:So if you know somebody finishes first, they're 2,500 points and then a second behind they're 24.99.
Speaker B:In a full distance Ironman, it's double, it's 5,000 points.
Speaker B:So really the pro series is definitely heavily weighted towards doing these full distance races.
Speaker B:And I think they, yeah, they each got 5,000 points.
Speaker B:So they are in the Driver's seat right now.
Speaker A:And although you can do more 70 point threes and Ironmans, I guess the athletes who are likely to be most successful are the Cat Matthews.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The ones who can do both and succeed at both, which is not everybody.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It basically you get five races to score and three of those maximum can be full distance Ironmans.
Speaker B:And of course the world championships of the Ironman and the world championships of the 70.3 are both maybe 1.25 points.
Speaker B:We're gonna have to get a fact check on that.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, penalty.
Speaker A:10th already maybe.
Speaker A:What.
Speaker A:What about on the.
Speaker A:So I alluded to that age group interaction.
Speaker A:Yes.
Speaker A:So tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker A:Expand.
Speaker B:These are the kind of moments that really, I feel like exemplify the spirit of the sport.
Speaker B:You had this pro triathlete, Chloe Lane, who I think was having a great race and unfortunately just had a puncture.
Speaker B:I think there was an issue with maybe her CO2 or something.
Speaker B:She couldn't really quite fix it.
Speaker B:And so she's on the side of the road.
Speaker B:It's an important race.
Speaker B:Obviously went all the way to South Africa to do this.
Speaker B:And I think she just stuck her neck out onto the course and said, hey, yelling at people to see if anybody had anything.
Speaker B:And this one athlete, this male athlete, pulled over during his race, which presumably he invested a lot of time and effort in, helped her out.
Speaker B:I don't know.
Speaker B:I think he like gave her a CO2 or he provided some kind of assistance.
Speaker B:Anyways, it looked like he was helping her out a ton and she was able to continue.
Speaker B:And he obviously was able to continue.
Speaker B:But just a real class gesture, really.
Speaker B:Just a nice touching moment to start off the pro racing year and just get everyone fired up.
Speaker A:Did.
Speaker A:How did she do in the end?
Speaker B:I'm not too sure.
Speaker B:On her final result.
Speaker B:I think she lost a good 10 plus minutes on that, but I think she was in the top, maybe top five again.
Speaker A:That's still a good result.
Speaker A:And did she address the situation?
Speaker A:Did she comment at all afterwards?
Speaker A:Did you see anything?
Speaker B:I didn't see anything.
Speaker B:I just saw the video and was like, oh, yeah, this is exceptional.
Speaker B:Love, love to see this.
Speaker B:Just a really nice, kind of touching.
Speaker A:It harkens back.
Speaker A:It harkens back to the Chrissie Wellington incident in Kona where she was leading.
Speaker A:So she was leading the bike and she had a flat and also had trouble with her CO2 and she ended up blowing both her cylinders.
Speaker A:And now she's at the side of the road with A flat and can't do anything.
Speaker A:And a couple of the pro women went by and they, they were relaying back the information that, hey, Chrissy's in trouble, she needs something.
Speaker A:And I can't remember if I think it was an age grouper.
Speaker A:It might have been one of her fellow competitors who ended up tossing a CO2 as they went by.
Speaker A:And then she gets back on and she just destroyed everybody.
Speaker A:She, despite all the time, she lost, she just passed them all and it was classic.
Speaker B:Yeah, that's perfect.
Speaker B:We love to hear about those kind of stories, I guess, like for athletes out there, is there an expectation you gotta pull over if you see somebody, you know, on the side of the road with that kind of issue.
Speaker B:What do you think?
Speaker A:I have stopped for injuries because as a physician I.
Speaker A:Yeah, I feel like.
Speaker A:And fortunately it hasn't happened often, but I couldn't in good conscience go past that.
Speaker A:And for sure, I sacrificed a race once because somebody was pretty badly hurt and I stayed with them until first, until paramedics arrived and then I continued and I got to finish my race and it was fine.
Speaker A:Now it would be a much harder for me to do if I was competitive and up there, but I would still do it because there are bigger things, there are much more important things in the world than a podium finish in an Ironman.
Speaker A:I would stop to render assistance to a fellow athlete.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:I just would.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:There's just.
Speaker A:Like I said, I think there's just more important things in life.
Speaker A:And I think being on the other side, I have.
Speaker A:When I was doing Ironman Canada way back when, I was running on tubular tires and I had a spare tubular tire and I had two flats and so I had no spare and I used my spare and then I was stuck and I had to wait.
Speaker A:I kept asking all these athletes going by and very few people run tubulars.
Speaker A:And eventually the neutral support came by and I was able to get something.
Speaker A:But having stood on the side of the road and waited in vain for somebody to be able to help, I would not want someone else to.
Speaker B:Yeah, you can empathize with that situation a hundred percent.
Speaker B:Yeah, it's great to see people doing that.
Speaker A:The rules are a little nebulous, I guess.
Speaker A:They're not that nebulous.
Speaker A:You're not allowed to accept any outside assistance.
Speaker A:You're supposed to be able to complete the event only with your own kind of stuff.
Speaker A:And yet there.
Speaker A:If you read the rules by the letter, getting assistance from another competitor is never sure.
Speaker A:But obviously it's Fine.
Speaker A:Because she did it and it was not a big deal.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I think if you're.
Speaker B:If you go viral, I think there's an exception for that for sure.
Speaker B:Somewhere in the rules.
Speaker B:Deep in the rules.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:All right.
Speaker A:We should move from Ironman South Africa, which was the first big Ironman race, on to the next 70.3 race, which is coming up this weekend, and that's Oceanside.
Speaker A:Matt, let's talk about a preview about one of the ever pop.
Speaker A:Very exciting races on the circuit.
Speaker B:Oceanside has always had that early season standing.
Speaker B:Last year was the very first pro series ever.
Speaker B:I was a part of that.
Speaker B:That was super exciting.
Speaker B:But yeah, Oceanside's kind of always had this, I don't know, mystique around it.
Speaker B:There's a lot of industry folks who gather there.
Speaker B:I feel like the Expo there is bigger than any other expo other than like a world championship.
Speaker B:So there's just.
Speaker B:I feel like a different energy.
Speaker B:I want to say the masters of triathlon in a way, just because of its standing in that early season.
Speaker A:It's a great analogy.
Speaker B:I love Paris Roubaix.
Speaker B:I think I called it the Paris Roubaix before.
Speaker B:I need to.
Speaker A:But stick to my metaphor.
Speaker A:Paris Roubaix is.
Speaker A:The metaphor of.
Speaker A:Paris Roubaix is different than the Masters.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:The Masters is.
Speaker A:They both have this.
Speaker B:It's a major.
Speaker B:It's this major.
Speaker A:It's a major.
Speaker A:And the thing about Paris Roubaix is the.
Speaker A:The road surface, the difficulty related to that.
Speaker A:Whereas Oceanside is difficult because of the climbs.
Speaker A:Very few races have the kinds of climbs that Oceanside has.
Speaker A:The Ocean sw, of course.
Speaker A:But what really is.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:It's been around for so long, as.
Speaker B:You mentioned, the heritage maybe of triathlon.
Speaker A:Heritage of it.
Speaker A:And so much has happened there.
Speaker A:Think back to when they had an Ironman also with the Boom Brothers racing there.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:A few years ago for sure.
Speaker A:That's a long time ago.
Speaker A:I'm dating myself now.
Speaker A:But there.
Speaker A:There was just some epic battles on that course and it's.
Speaker A:Yeah, I think the Masters is a great analogy.
Speaker A:I love that.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It is interesting though, because we have Oceanside, which is obviously this kind of tent pole event in.
Speaker B:In triathlon.
Speaker B:But now with the T100 coming onto the scene and scheduling rightly or longly, or whether they had a choice, their first race of their Triath2 100 Triathlon World Tour on the same weekend.
Speaker B:So now we have these two kind of competing events.
Speaker B:I'm definitely watching to see what People are talking about coming out of the weekend.
Speaker B:Will they just be all on Oceanside like it almost is or will the T100 be able to cut into the triathlon media or mindshare and penetrate that?
Speaker B:So yeah, it's a lot of.
Speaker B:There's great races, but there's also the T100 Ironman battle as well.
Speaker A:Yeah, more triathlon, more better.
Speaker A:That's going to be my mantra.
Speaker A:Yes, of course I would personally given if they were both on at the same time, I would still watch Oceanside because I believe for me, although the broadcast quality.
Speaker A:But just watching the scenery of Oceanside is so much more interesting than watching a city loop race.
Speaker A:I just.
Speaker A:For that's my opinion.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:And so many more.
Speaker B:The one thing I like about these Ironman races is just there's more athletes so there's more intrigue in a way.
Speaker B:But you mentioned the broadcast.
Speaker B:We'll also be watching and keeping an eye on the different qualities of the broadcasts and how they compare and contrast because T100 has stepped up their game and Ironman's had a bit of a miss early season miss with that Geelong broadcast issues.
Speaker A:I don't get the sense that Iron man feels too pressured to improve their broadcast on.
Speaker A:They've sat pat on what they've had for a long time now.
Speaker B:So I don't know, as long as the feed doesn't cut out, then I guess that's maybe for them that's good enough.
Speaker B:But yes, Oceanside.
Speaker A:All right, so who's.
Speaker A:Who are we looking at lining up there?
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:We.
Speaker A:I did confirm that Tamara Jewett will be at Oceanside, so.
Speaker B:Nice.
Speaker A:I'm excited about that.
Speaker A:And who could we be looking for there?
Speaker A:What are the fireworks that you're anticipating on both men and women's side?
Speaker B:We'll start with the women's race.
Speaker B:Definitely a solid field for sure.
Speaker B:There's a couple athletes, I gotta say, who were on the start list originally.
Speaker B:Vittorio Lopez from Brazil and Maya Kingma from the Netherlands.
Speaker B:And they're both incredible short course athletes, always front of the pack, pushing the pace.
Speaker B:Unfortunately, they won't be there, so I was kind of looking forward to that dynamic coming in.
Speaker B:But with that being said, it looks to be a.
Speaker B:A battle of the Canadians that we're going to call.
Speaker B:Are we going to call it here?
Speaker B:What do you think?
Speaker A:Well, I don't know.
Speaker A:Let's.
Speaker A:Who else is?
Speaker A:I know Lionel and Tamra.
Speaker A:Who.
Speaker A:I guess Jackson's there too.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Well, so in the women's race specifically, we've Got Tamra, who won two years.
Speaker B:Two years ago.
Speaker A:Years ago.
Speaker B:And then Paula Findlay, who's also a past winner there as well.
Speaker B:So I feel like those two are the.
Speaker B:Maybe a step above the rest of the field.
Speaker B:So I like to think this weekend it's really going to come down to a battle between Tamra and Paula.
Speaker B:You also have Jackie Herring, who's maybe more of an Ironman focused athlete.
Speaker B:She was on the podium for the pro series last year, so she'll be looking for a good one.
Speaker B:Also another Ironman athlete, Alice Alberts.
Speaker B:A wild card, I would say is Lisa Picaris, who's a very strong cyclist.
Speaker B:So she's been training well.
Speaker B:So there's different dynamics there.
Speaker B:But really, at the end of the day, I could see a kind of heads up battle between Paula and Tamra and they kind of have different skill sets, so it'll probably be very interesting that way.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So a couple years ago when Tamra won, the reason Tamara won was because she was able to hold on to Paula on the bike.
Speaker A:And Paula, of course, a phenomenal cyclist.
Speaker A:She couldn't put.
Speaker A:And I don't think she was worried about Tamra because I think she just didn't even know that Tamra was in the same zip code.
Speaker A:Because normally, normally when Paula takes off on the bike, Tamara is nowhere close.
Speaker A:Tamara came out of the water pretty close and was able to hold that gap on the bike.
Speaker A:So that when she got off the bike, she was something like.
Speaker A:I want to say she was like five to seven minutes down and she had a penalty that she had to serve.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:So when she started the run, she was down by five to seven minutes.
Speaker A:But from the get go, she was running so much faster than everybody else.
Speaker A:It was only a matter of time.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:I tell you, I don't want to be five minutes behind Tamra.
Speaker B:A runner like her coming off the bike.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker A:You just know that if she's close, she's gonna take it.
Speaker A:She's gonna do it.
Speaker A:And this year she.
Speaker A:Last year she struggled.
Speaker A:She had a difficult season last year.
Speaker A:So it'll be interesting to see what she does on the swim and if she's able again to manage the deficit.
Speaker A:Because I don't think anybody has any illusions, including Tamara.
Speaker A:I don't think she would expect to be able to come off anywhere in the same kind of area as Paula.
Speaker B:Yeah, I think it's gonna come down to that gap.
Speaker B:Coming off the bike, the women's race, I feel like there's more opportunities for Gaps between groups.
Speaker B:So depending on where Tamara comes out, if she has certain athletes she can work with, maybe she can minimize the gap to Paula.
Speaker B:Because Paula and both Tamara, it seems like they're both very fit and healthy, ready to go.
Speaker B:So this could honestly come down to the final few miles, mile or so on the run, which we would love to see as fans of the sport.
Speaker A:Absolutely.
Speaker A:I did notice on Tamra, Tamra debuted a new kit which features prominently a nice maple leaf, which I was quite.
Speaker B:Very good she played.
Speaker A:Doesn't seem to be sporting the RTS logos anymore.
Speaker B:No, I feel like she's gone on her own direction this year, which is, you know, things like that happen people in the off season, there's free agency.
Speaker A:Matt, I'm looking for triathlon beef here.
Speaker A:No, no triathlon beef there.
Speaker B:I.
Speaker B:Hey, probably an undercurrent.
Speaker B:Maybe I don't have the details.
Speaker B:I'd have to ask my RTs or maybe hit up Tamrat and see where she's at with that.
Speaker B:But no, I.
Speaker B:No confirmed beef.
Speaker B:How about that?
Speaker A:Okay, we'll have to circle back on that.
Speaker A:Jackson is, I think, still nursing a foot injury.
Speaker B:Me and him, I think we got a foot injury at the same time.
Speaker B:Okay, so he's not going.
Speaker B:He's not going.
Speaker B:But.
Speaker A:All right, so let's talk about the men's side.
Speaker B:I think you gotta just go into the Lionel factor.
Speaker B:He's coming back.
Speaker B:He's obviously been training, doing his I think less is more philosophy.
Speaker A:Is that what you put the guy does when he's doing less?
Speaker A:He's still doing more than most, but anyway.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:So he's.
Speaker B:I think I'd say this.
Speaker A:He looks like he's in phenomenal shape.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So he's ready to go.
Speaker B:He's ready to go for sure.
Speaker B:So you got Lionel, I've got some names here.
Speaker B:Patrick Lang, I don't know.
Speaker B:Have you heard of him before?
Speaker A:Rings a bell.
Speaker A:Yeah, rings a bell.
Speaker B:Yeah, he's pretty good.
Speaker B:Although last year, funny story, we were riding together.
Speaker B:Okay.
Speaker B:I was riding behind him and we made a wrong turn.
Speaker B:So I'm hoping this year he makes the right turn and stays in the group.
Speaker B:Cuz he'll probably have a.
Speaker A:Okay, seriously, how does that happen?
Speaker B:I was following the guy.
Speaker B:I was like.
Speaker B:We basically went.
Speaker B:Instead of going that last little bit towards like along the ocean, we ended up on the highway off ramp and we both ended up on clipping and looking at each other like, where the hell are we?
Speaker B:And eventually we figured, okay, we gotta go Double back.
Speaker B:And unfortunately we missed a group that we probably could have rode with and maybe had a better result hanging with.
Speaker B:But hopefully he doesn't pull that again for sure.
Speaker A:Now, look, I've done my fair share of races and I will admit I'm not up in the rarified air that you ride in, which is where there's not a lot of other riders around.
Speaker A:So I could understand how it's not just as simple as following everybody else.
Speaker A:But there's a lot of cones, there's a lot of signs.
Speaker B:We miss those cones.
Speaker B:We gotta go back to tri school or something and figure this out.
Speaker A:Okay.
Speaker B:All right.
Speaker A:After Patrick.
Speaker B:So after Patrick Lange, Christian Blumenfeld, also a fellow, you may have heard.
Speaker A:Oh, my gosh, I didn't know he was there.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we have Christian, we have Gustav.
Speaker B:Eden is there, I believe, Rudy von Berg, who's had a great year last year in Kona.
Speaker A:Tell me again why anybody's going to watch the T100.
Speaker A:Okay, we'll get there in a second.
Speaker A:We'll get there.
Speaker A:Yeah, sorry.
Speaker B:They will, I'm sure.
Speaker B:Yeah, Ben Canute is going to be there and those are maybe like the headliners or the ones that most people would be familiar with.
Speaker B:But then down the field you've got just athletes.
Speaker B:So what I pay attention to, especially as someone coming over from the short course recently, you've got a lot of these short course athletes.
Speaker B:Casper Stornes from Norway, he trains with Christian and Gustav, so you keep him in that tier for sure.
Speaker B:My good friend Kevin McDowell, who's had some tough injuries over the last few years, but I know he's incredibly fit.
Speaker B:He'll be right at the front the whole time.
Speaker B:Seth Ryder, Olympic medalist from Paris.
Speaker B:American athlete ready to go.
Speaker B:Jake Burtwistle, who just had a great race in Geelong.
Speaker B:I think he was second there.
Speaker B:Just a lot of these.
Speaker A:What about Tyler?
Speaker A:Is Tyler there?
Speaker B:He's in Singapore.
Speaker A:Oh, okay.
Speaker B:You also have a 75 man field, which is similar to what it was last year.
Speaker B:So, yes, there's.
Speaker A:That is an insane amount of talent.
Speaker A:Holy smokes.
Speaker A:This is where Lionel gets in trouble because there's no way he swims anywhere close to.
Speaker B:I thought last year there were some good athletes and we swam quite well.
Speaker B:But I remember running, I think, with my bike out of T1 and I hear the announcer.
Speaker B:Oh, and here comes Lionel Sanders.
Speaker B:He's had a great swim and really he wasn't maybe 90 seconds, maybe a slightly bit more behind me, which for him, like I was second out of the water or third out of the water in that race last year.
Speaker B:And he was.
Speaker B:That.
Speaker B:That's being in the race.
Speaker B:That's not a bad.
Speaker B:That's an incredible swim.
Speaker B:And I do think if we're looking at the dynamics of this race, when you have 75 athletes on the start line, ultimately, unless you're really having a tough day, you're going to be around other people, maybe on their feet, getting pulled along.
Speaker B:And I do think there's an opportunity for him to have another great swim.
Speaker B:It's a wetsuit swim, too, which is always helpful.
Speaker B:It's always the question of the swim.
Speaker B:There's also good swimmers here as well.
Speaker B:But I do think.
Speaker B:I think he's ready to have another.
Speaker B:Well.
Speaker A:And the bike.
Speaker A:The bike suits him.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:It's a challenging bike course, and that suits him.
Speaker A:Listen, Christian's a incredibly strong cyclist.
Speaker A:Gustave very.
Speaker A:We haven't seen much out of Gustav in a while.
Speaker A:He's had it.
Speaker A:Another guy who's had a really disappointing.
Speaker A:I think since he won.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Since he won in Kona, we really haven't heard much from him.
Speaker A:He had personal issues with his mom passing away.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:And since then, he's just not really.
Speaker A:I don't know if he's had injuries or he's just not been able to come back from it, but it's a little unfortunate.
Speaker A:I hope we see him come back and be.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:He's a fan favorite.
Speaker B:He's a fan favorite.
Speaker B:I think.
Speaker B:You know, based on what I just talked about with the quality field and the athletes.
Speaker B:What do you think is going to happen on this bike?
Speaker B:Because the bike is where the action is going to be.
Speaker A:The bike is.
Speaker A:So the first.
Speaker A:I'm trying to remember how far it is, but I want to say the first 15 miles are pretty flat and pretty straightforward.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:And that's usually where things sort themselves into groups and people will just try to establish gaps, but they probably won't be able to because it's so fast on that stretch.
Speaker A:Then you have that out and back.
Speaker A:That brings you to the first hill.
Speaker A:And I think once you get to that first hill, you may start to see people go.
Speaker A:The stronger cyclists, Christians, Lionels, the.
Speaker A:Ben's a pretty strong cyclist.
Speaker B:He's a very strong cyclist.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:It'll be interesting.
Speaker B:Last year there was a few.
Speaker B:Couple distinct groups.
Speaker B:I do think there'll be a lot of people together getting to that first hill and then maybe a split up there.
Speaker B:I don't think there'll be a small group.
Speaker B:Any kind of small breakaway group unless somebody really wants to take that risk.
Speaker B:But I would say the last half of that race, you're coming back into a headwind.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:You come, you come down off that second hill, there's the 25 mile an hour speed limit around the corner.
Speaker A:Then you end up on that road that basically it's almost like a wind tunnel heading back to the ocean.
Speaker A:Now I've had, I've raced there a couple times where the wind wasn't quite as ferocious.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:And.
Speaker A:But if it's strong, it's pretty strong and it's just a steady headwind the whole way back.
Speaker A:But it's not going to be a huge deterrent for these guys.
Speaker A:And if they've got a big enough gap, it's not going to, it's not going to be a big deal that these races don't favor guys like Patrick Lang.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Patrick, a very strong runner.
Speaker A:He needs more distance to be able to make up the kind of gap that he tends to give up on a bike course like this.
Speaker A:That's not to say he can't win, but I think the likelihood of someone, I think he's showing up at this race mostly as a tune up, I would think, for Texas.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:I'm curious.
Speaker B:With a lot of these athletes, they'll be doing this Oceanside race and then Texas in later in April.
Speaker B:And so I do think athletes especially like Christian and Gustav, I actually don't think they're going to be firing on all cylinders.
Speaker B:I think they're really.
Speaker A:You think they're tuning up?
Speaker B:Yeah, I think this is a tune up for dialing in for Texas for the pro series.
Speaker A:That's interesting, right?
Speaker A:Because then that leaves the 70.3 guys like Ben and Lionel and some of the other names you mentioned that who then maybe do get to break free and maybe shed some of those really strong bike runners.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:It's interesting.
Speaker B:Yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker B:I think like someone like Lionel, based on the quality of runners in the field, if he can keep away from those short course guys because they're just, they're always great runners coming over.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:I do think he has a chance to win again, but it's going to be harder than last year and it might have to break things up a little bit more on the bike than what might happen.
Speaker B:Intrigued, for sure.
Speaker A:It'd be a phenomenal race, for sure.
Speaker B:Who do you think is going to win?
Speaker B:Do you have a pick for the win?
Speaker A:Oh, no, I can't pick that there's too many.
Speaker A:No, I hate to listen, my heart goes with Lionel just because I've been a huge Lionel fan forever even though he continues to snub coming on our shows.
Speaker A:But that's okay.
Speaker A:I will remain a Lionel fan forever.
Speaker A:But yeah, there's just too.
Speaker A:Listen, he won last year, so.
Speaker B:He did win last year.
Speaker B:So yeah, I feel like especially coming to these races too, there's.
Speaker B:If you've had a good race before, there's just good vibes and you ride on those vibes.
Speaker B:So yeah, I'm actually thinking he might have another shot at the win here.
Speaker B:Even with the quality of field, I.
Speaker A:Think he's always got a shot.
Speaker A:The question is, you know, yes, there's so much talent there and this is.
Speaker B:The thing with the races this year is how are the dynamics different with so many short course athletes who are good swim biker or just how that is that going to look?
Speaker B:And the short course, that's a whole other intrigue.
Speaker A:They have changed the sport dramatically.
Speaker A:So it's really exciting to watch their impact on the sport.
Speaker A:Let's shift our focus to the T100.
Speaker A:So after all those amazing big names now we didn't hear a lot of major women athletes.
Speaker A:So I'm assuming we're going to hear a lot of big names in the T100 in Singapore.
Speaker A:We know one, however, who won't be there.
Speaker B:No.
Speaker A:And that's Taylor Knibb.
Speaker A:And we don't want to speculate.
Speaker A:It sounds like personal reasons.
Speaker A:So we don't really want to get too much into that.
Speaker A:It's just.
Speaker A:We'll just say it's unfortunate that she's not going to be racing this week.
Speaker B:Fortunate for I think fans of the sport.
Speaker B:But maybe fortunate for her competitor.
Speaker A:Yeah, seriously, definitely fortunate for her competitors.
Speaker A:No question.
Speaker B:Anytime she's on the start, start line, it's a tough one to beat.
Speaker B:Not having her there.
Speaker B:It.
Speaker B:It's tough.
Speaker B:You want to see the best athletes all the time.
Speaker B:But it also in some ways it maybe makes the dynamic a little different.
Speaker B:We could see a different podium and so it's going to be incredible.
Speaker B:Unfortunately she's out there, but it.
Speaker B:I do think she's racing an Ironman.
Speaker B:I think she's racing Ironman Texas.
Speaker B:So that's the plan anyways, from what I've heard.
Speaker A:So that would be her second, right?
Speaker A:Because she did Kona and then this would be her second.
Speaker B:It was her first.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker A:Well, I can't remember.
Speaker A:Do you know there was a special dispensation for her to get into Kona.
Speaker A:Do you remember what it was?
Speaker A:I don't remember.
Speaker B:70.3 worlds.
Speaker A:I don't think that was it because you had to quality.
Speaker A:Anyways, she's Taylor Knibb as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker A:That was enough reason everybody wanted to see her there.
Speaker A:Maybe one of our listeners knows.
Speaker A:I'm sure Brian Dunn probably knows.
Speaker A:So Brian, let us know in the talk Tempo talks Facebook group let us know what was Taylor's special dispensation that got her into Kona.
Speaker A:The first time she did it, the only time she did it because she had not raised an ironman prior to that.
Speaker A:Okay, T100 who's going to be there?
Speaker A:Even though Taylor won't.
Speaker B:Let's tee up the women's race because it's just talking about nib.
Speaker B:So yes, a great lineup of athletes.
Speaker B:Just an incredible lineup.
Speaker B:We've got athletes like Lucy Charles Barkley.
Speaker B:Whenever she's on a start line, the dynamic is pretty wild.
Speaker A:We should be clear we're recording this on Wednesday and there's still what, 48 hours for Lucy's drop.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So we have seen Lucy, the late dropout for sure.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:So hopefully based on her social media she has been healthy.
Speaker B:I don't know if she's again, like it's so.
Speaker B:It's.
Speaker B:It is early in the season.
Speaker B:So how many of these athletes are really firing on all cylinders, especially in a Kona year?
Speaker B:For some of these women that's always the siren song is the.
Speaker B:Of a T100 athlete is a Kona World championship.
Speaker A:All right, Lucy.
Speaker A:Who else?
Speaker B:Lucy Charles Barkley.
Speaker B:We've got Ash Gentle who is one of those athletes who just thrives in the heat and will thrive in these Singapore conditions.
Speaker A:She was incredible at Singapore last year.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Didn't she come down from.
Speaker B:Yeah, maybe five minutes plus to take the.
Speaker B:Just incredible.
Speaker B:So someone like her, you have Flora Duffy who every single long course middle distance race that she's done, she's basically improved on and as far as I know, she's been quite healthy.
Speaker B:She's been training in South Africa so she's maybe got some good heat prep in somebody who's ready to rip in.
Speaker B:I think also you have Julie Darin who was a wild card last year, the Olympic silver medalist.
Speaker B:She actually came in as a wildcard and then really almost.
Speaker B:I think she ended up on the world championship podium at the end with her performance because she just was so consistent at the end there.
Speaker B:Another stellar athlete.
Speaker B:There's other athletes Like Jessica Learmouth, Kate Woff.
Speaker B:There's plenty, just plenty of talent.
Speaker A:So no Cat?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:Kat Matthews?
Speaker B:No.
Speaker B:She is fully committed to Ironman this year.
Speaker B:No double T100 Ironman.
Speaker B:I feel like maybe if a T100 makes sense and she says, I want to do it, they'll have her with open arms.
Speaker B:She's one of those athletes who left the T100 after.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:She won.
Speaker A:She won a lot of money last year when she did the overall series, so why not?
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker A:Okay, that sounds just.
Speaker A:It sounds like a Lucy Ashley kind of battle, but with a lot of possibles.
Speaker A:Right.
Speaker A:Julie Darin, definitely.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:In the heat, others.
Speaker B:There's so much unpredictability how athletes respond, especially early in the year.
Speaker B:There's just the opportunity, especially if someone like Lucy Charles really takes it from the gun.
Speaker B:It's a risk reward thing in that heat because how long can you push?
Speaker A:The reason I say Lucy and Ashley is because they both have a track record of doing well.
Speaker A:Lucy winning, Kona and Ashley winning in Singapore.
Speaker A:Wait, did she win in Singapore or she's second?
Speaker A:I think she won.
Speaker B:I think she won.
Speaker A:She won.
Speaker A:She won last year.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:So the two of them have just proven track records of doing well in those conditions.
Speaker A:So that's why I think.
Speaker A:See those two at the top of my list.
Speaker A:But yeah, a lot of other amazing names there.
Speaker A:How about the men's side, obviously, Sam Long, because that's a name I knew from our previous conversation.
Speaker A:Who else?
Speaker B:Yeah, there's this race, it's a.
Speaker B:We were talking about short course athletes before and this is basically, it seems like a world Triathlon series race.
Speaker B:You have Olympic medalists, Hayden Wilde, Leo Bergere.
Speaker B:You have Vincent Louie, a short course stalwart who's now moving over to long course.
Speaker B:You've got Yellow Gaines, who is the current 74.
Speaker B:3 world champion and won the Las Vegas T100 last year.
Speaker B:He's coming off a Geelong win, very convincing.
Speaker B:So he's in form.
Speaker B:You've got Martin Van Real, who typically you would think, okay, this guy's gonna be probably podium adjacent, but he raced last weekend in South Africa, came second.
Speaker A:Wow.
Speaker B:What do you think?
Speaker B:What do you think about doing an Ironman and then a T100 the week after?
Speaker B:What do you think about that?
Speaker A:I know that I wouldn't be doing it, but hey, I'm a lot older than he is and not a professional.
Speaker A:So what do you think?
Speaker B:I don't think it's.
Speaker B:If you want to perform in a T100 you have to be pretty locked in for that prep and everything.
Speaker B:I think he's going to show up.
Speaker B:He'll still do.
Speaker B:I could see him still getting in the top eight, but on those legs in that heat, all those stressors the week before.
Speaker A:God, the run is like such a different intensity too.
Speaker A:Coming off of the.
Speaker A:Yeah, that's.
Speaker B:I wonder how his legs feel after that.
Speaker B:Ironman too.
Speaker B:You got to think he's hurting a little bit.
Speaker B:So I wouldn't pick him for the podium, that's for sure.
Speaker B:You also have interesting wildcard like Tyler Mislichuk, who he hasn't done many.
Speaker B:He did poocon with me earlier this year.
Speaker B:He had a very strong race.
Speaker B:This race is certainly a level up from that, so it'll be interesting to see how he goes.
Speaker B:But I do know that he is a rock star in the heat.
Speaker B:So let's say maybe he loses some time on the bike.
Speaker B:I can see him coming back and mowing down some bodies on the run for sure.
Speaker B:You also have Yuri Kulin who famously won last year and then just totally.
Speaker A:And had to go to the hospital for this heat exhaustion.
Speaker B:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker B:That was wild that.
Speaker B:We may see more scenes like that for sure.
Speaker B:But also your man Sam Long is going to be there.
Speaker A:Yeah, I know.
Speaker B:What do we think?
Speaker B:What do we think?
Speaker A:I think Sam is.
Speaker A:Unless I'm completely mistaken, I think Sam is not going to be a factor because despite his strong bike and his pretty strong run, he is as always going to be too far back out of the water to be able to be a factor against some of these other incredible swim cyclists.
Speaker A:So then once they get to the run, it's who can run in that heat and there's quite a list of names there.
Speaker A:Hard to bet against the current reigning 70.3 world champion, especially after he ran as well as he did, what, two weeks ago in July?
Speaker B:Yeah, two weeks ago.
Speaker A:Yeah.
Speaker B:The only thing I will say about Sam, especially in this race too, because of the heat and because of the Dynamics of a T100 like I've done these races and they are just full gas from kind of start to finish and I could see these athletes maybe making a bit of mistake and really pushing that swim bike and putting themselves in the red zone.
Speaker B:Where is Sam?
Speaker B:Ironically, coming out by himself, he may be able to pace himself better.
Speaker B:So by the time he gets to the run, it may seem like he's super far behind.
Speaker B:But if these athletes have really raced super hard and cooked themselves on the bike that run, it's not Even a run and easily I could see him honestly being top six, top five.
Speaker B:Just if these guys and men, the men, they're not as patient as the women.
Speaker B:So yeah, there are some more of those blow ups.
Speaker A:Phenomenal.
Speaker A:Wild Berger.
Speaker A:I can never say his name.
Speaker A:The world.
Speaker A:The 70.3 world championship.
Speaker B:Yell gains.
Speaker A:Yell gans.
Speaker A:I gotta get that right.
Speaker B:I don't even know if I'm saying it right.
Speaker A:Yeah, just all these terrifics, just whole packages.
Speaker A:It's just amazing.
Speaker A:It's just we are in a time right now where there's just all these amazing athletes in our sport and just this list of names at both races.
Speaker A:It's phenomenal.
Speaker A:It's really incredible.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker B:Maybe after this weekend, Singapore might be the masters of triathlon.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:We'll see.
Speaker B:They're angling for it for sure.
Speaker A:We'll see.
Speaker A:We do want to Note that the T100 had an announcement about a age group world championship, which you sent it to me today.
Speaker A:I actually thought that was something that was already known.
Speaker A:I did.
Speaker A:Was that a new announcement?
Speaker B:I believe it was definitely in the works.
Speaker B:Definitely something that had been floated before.
Speaker B:This was like the official announcement.
Speaker B:So now it's official.
Speaker B:It's out there.
Speaker A:We are going to talk about it.
Speaker A:I think we'll talk about it on the next podcast, on the next episode because we don't have time to really get into it.
Speaker A:But we do want to acknowledge that announcement came out.
Speaker A:We both saw it and we wanted to make sure that we acknowledged that we knew it was out there.
Speaker A:But we will come back to it in the next episode.
Speaker A:We do want to move on though, to our final topic of today.
Speaker A:Today's episode, and that is the benefits of active recovery.
Speaker A:Matt, what did you write about in the Tempo News on this episode?
Speaker B:I do these training topics in the newsletter and I don't know why I thought about active recovery.
Speaker B:I might have saw something and it piqued my interest and I was like, hey, I've got to look into this a little bit more and glad I did.
Speaker B:I think active recovery.
Speaker B:What do you.
Speaker B:What would.
Speaker B:What do you think of when I say active recovery?
Speaker B:What does that bring to mind for you?
Speaker A:I actually have preached active recovery to my athletes since I started coaching.
Speaker A:I just do not believe in days off.
Speaker A:Now, that's not to say I won't give them.
Speaker A:I have certain athletes who just absolutely insist on a day off and I will have a negotiation and if that's the way they want to go, then that's what we'll do.
Speaker A:But I really feel like keeping yourself moving is the best way to recover.
Speaker A:And I feel that way as a 58 year old man where I know that if I take a full day off, I'm more likely to feel a little bit stiff and sore coming back to things.
Speaker A:Whereas if I've had a light workout where I didn't exert myself particularly hard, it's a shorter workout than usual.
Speaker A:Then I'm moving, my blood is flowing to my muscles, I'm washing away those evil humors and allowing for restorative sort of processes to take place.
Speaker A:I'm not necessarily gaining fitness, I'm certainly not losing fitness.
Speaker A:And I just feel like it's a better way to recover.
Speaker B:Definitely.
Speaker B:It's something that I think people can get confused about.
Speaker B:Why is it active recovery?
Speaker B:Isn't it just training?
Speaker B:But it's not because it's pretty low intensity.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:Do you have any guidances on.
Speaker A:Yeah, I do.
Speaker A:I.
Speaker A:Basically a very typical active recovery is an easy spin on the bike.
Speaker A:And the reason for that is because I know it's not weight bearing, it's going to allow for muscle movement and blood flow, but they're not getting any pounding.
Speaker A:So I set a wattage ceiling.
Speaker A:So depending on the athlete's FTP.
Speaker A:So it's usually less than 50 or I think it's usually 40% or 45% of their FTP.
Speaker A:I don't want the watts higher than that and I just want them to have a nice easy spin.
Speaker A:This can be on the trainer watching some movie or something.
Speaker A:Not Zwift.
Speaker A:Because if you're on Zwifts, there's no active recovery on Zwift.
Speaker A:So I'm not doing any of that.
Speaker A:Or they can go out and ride with their kids or do whatever, but they're.
Speaker A:The idea is they're moving, they're getting, like I said, blood flow, they're raising their heart rate a little bit.
Speaker A:It's very zone two, very, very low zone.
Speaker B:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker B:It's getting those endorphins, those nice neurotransmitters, those chemicals.
Speaker B:We're all.
Speaker B:My theory.
Speaker B:You probably have the same idea too, right?
Speaker B:We're as endurance athletes, you're almost like addicted to exercise.
Speaker B:Does that sound right?
Speaker A:Yeah, yeah, it.
Speaker A:There's no doubt like those days that.
Speaker B:You'Re talking about with your day off, like you don't get your hit right, you're hitting of your endorphins and whatnot.
Speaker B:So yeah, this is a socially acceptable addiction.
Speaker B:I think maybe at some point it isn't, but generally it is.
Speaker B:It's good to, to kind of get that hit.
Speaker B:I think one thing that I, when I was reading about it, that I didn't even realize it was saying how it.
Speaker B:I don't know if you agree with this or not, but it was saying how active recovery engages your parasympathetic nervous system.
Speaker B:Is that correct?
Speaker B:Am I correct in saying that?
Speaker A:The idea there is just that you're balancing things out because when you are going at higher intensity intervals, that's a very sympathetic thing.
Speaker A:So your right sympathetic nervous system is your fight or flight and your parasympathetic is your rest and recovery.
Speaker A:So when you do active recovery at very low intensity workouts, it's your parasympathetic nervous system that's being engaged more.
Speaker A:So.
Speaker A:Sure, I can buy into that.
Speaker B:And also triathletes typically may be folks who want to get things done, check something off their list.
Speaker B:Doing an active recovery workout, even though it's low intensity, you are getting that check of your training, right?
Speaker B:You're getting a.
Speaker A:You get a green box on training peaks.
Speaker A:Yeah, you get a little green box.
Speaker A:You get something on Strava.
Speaker A:Yeah, but you also get that mental Zen, right.
Speaker A:I get a lot mentally from training, no matter whether it's a hard effort or an easy effort, just the ability.
Speaker B:To being present in a lot of ways.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker A:Being present, really being remove myself from my day, my other activities, and just have that whatever hour or whatever it is.
Speaker A:But as a professional, is this something that you do active recovery, and if so, how often?
Speaker B:Yeah, I would say definitely on our kind of recovery days.
Speaker B:It's definitely active recovery.
Speaker B:It might be zone one, zone to.
Speaker B:You're just really not trying to exert yourself in a way that will have you the next day.
Speaker B:Kind of feeling like I pushed a little too hard or I'm not ready to go for maybe a more focused, quality workout.
Speaker B:I tend to, I feel like on these active recovery sessions really dial things back because I just find that I don't need to.
Speaker B:It's not training it.
Speaker B:Right.
Speaker B:You're.
Speaker B:The whole point is to just get, like we talked about, get your blood moving, get the nice endorphins, feel good, and maybe flush away some of that, those metabolic byproducts as well.
Speaker B:And ultimately usually when you do an active recovery session, you feel better than you started.
Speaker B:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, I agree.
Speaker A:I totally agree.
Speaker B:Because what, what are your red flags or your flags for when something isn't active recovery other than the Zwift?
Speaker A:Well, I If I'm like, it's not for me personally because I generally, I know how to active recover because I love my active recovery.
Speaker A:But if I see an athlete that's pushing too hard, it's pretty obvious their heart rate's up higher, their power's up higher.
Speaker B:If someone says, I went on a two hour active recovery, oh, yeah, I guess.
Speaker B:Do you think that's active recovery?
Speaker A:No.
Speaker A:And yeah, I do get that.
Speaker A:I have these athletes where I'm like, okay, here, I want you to do 45 minutes and I want you to do no more than that.
Speaker A:And I just want you to do something nice and easy.
Speaker A:And then I get the comments and training peaks like boys were going out on a mountain bike ride and hey, it was a beautiful day.
Speaker A:And so two and a half hours.
Speaker A:And I'm like, okay, not active recovery.
Speaker B:Not active recovery.
Speaker B:No, that's not for sure.
Speaker B:But yeah, I think overall we agree active recovery, super beneficial for athletes, makes you feel good.
Speaker B:It doesn't take too much out of you.
Speaker B:It should really be a plus in terms of how you feel after.
Speaker A:And I think the benefit of it too is, and Lionel actually did a video on this recently where he was talking about, should you do you need to take recovery days?
Speaker A:And the picture on the video is Lionel lying on the couch.
Speaker A:And I'm like, oh, come on, Lionel never lies on the couch.
Speaker A:But the benefit I think of this is like trying to coax athletes into taking recovery time is really difficult.
Speaker A:So if you can fool them by telling them, oh, no, I don't have you recovering.
Speaker A:I have you doing like this 45 minute easy ride, just go do that.
Speaker B:It's how you brand it.
Speaker B:It's how you brand it.
Speaker A:Exactly.
Speaker A:You just gotta brand it.
Speaker A:Right?
Speaker A:Yeah, that's the whole thing.
Speaker A:This.
Speaker A:I'm glad we are in synchronic synchronicity on this and hopefully this has been an interesting episode for all of you listening.
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Speaker A:Answer the easy questions related to where Matt and I hearken from originally and where we reside currently.
Speaker A:In case you don't know, we sport the maple leaf and we now have the big C with the sun in the middle.
Speaker A:So that should be adequate to get you into the group.
Speaker B:And if you do have critical feedback, we would love that as well.
Speaker B:Any feedback is a gift for us.
Speaker A:Yes, exactly.
Speaker A:We want to hear.
Speaker B:And one more thing, Jeff, do you have is there another episode of your podcast, the Tridoc Podcast?
Speaker A:Tridoc Podcast is out today, the same day that this episode is out.
Speaker A:It features a discussion about lactate sensors and lactate threshold.
Speaker A:So if that is something that you are interested in, you should head on over to the Tridarc podcast.
Speaker A:You can find it wherever you get your podcast content.
Speaker A:It also features an interview with David Bonham.
Speaker A:Not a triathlete, but rather a 54 year old pole vaulter.
Speaker A:A guy I met at my daughter's pole vault practice.
Speaker A:Excellent pole vaulted as an adolescent.
Speaker A:He was away for it for decades and then his daughter pulled him out of retirement because she needed a pole vault coach at her high school.
Speaker A:And he tells the story of what it's like to get back to a sport you love and then deal with so many of the things that us as age group triathletes have dealt with.
Speaker A:Injuries, setbacks related to lack of fitness, and then go on and win masters competitions and make it to a world championship as a master.
Speaker B:Sounds really interesting.
Speaker B:Can we get to see you on the pole vault?
Speaker A:Not a chance.
Speaker A:Not a chance.
Speaker B:I need a video of that for sure.
Speaker A:Not a chance.
Speaker A:But he is a super interesting guy and it was a great conversation.
Speaker A:I really enjoyed it and I think if you head on over you would enjoy it as well.
Speaker A:But that's all we've got for you today for tempo talks.
Speaker A:Despite us both being away, we are going to get you an episode.
Speaker A:It'll probably be a little bit of a short one, but we will definitely have something for you next week, so be sure to stay tuned for that.
Speaker A:Matt, it's been a great conversation as always.
Speaker A:Enjoy your trip out to Florida.
Speaker A:Will you be racing?
Speaker B:I'm going to be racing, yeah.
Speaker B:Yeah.
Speaker A:Awesome.
Speaker B:Pretty low key, but I'm going to be racing the run.
Speaker B:Won't be anything special coming off this broken toe, but we'll be shuffling around and honestly I'm super excited with this race to just tap back into that local grassroots triathlon community.
Speaker B:Really excited to meet some new folks out in that West Palm beach area triathlon community.
Speaker B:It's going to be a ton of fun.
Speaker B:Really looking forward to it.
Speaker A:All right, if you're out there and you happen to be in that race, make sure you say hi to Matt and let him know that you've been listening.
Speaker B:All right, Matt, Perfect.
Speaker A:Have fun.
Speaker A:Best to Kirsten and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker B:Yes.
Speaker B:Thanks again, Jeff.
Speaker B:And thanks everyone for listening till next time.
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